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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by veidr »

andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

Well, I've paid something like $200/year for a fitness app in VR. So I can easily imagine a small number of rich Apple users paying $500/year. If you can get a few thousand users paying $500/year, pretty soon you're talking about decent money.

But so far, that is the only app category I can think of that would justify me quitting my job and trying to bootstrap a business based solely on an app for Vision OS. I feel like I am probably overlooking a couple, though... :-D

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by photonbeam »

Ilnsk wrote: post #27
nottorp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. It is? As in it acts like a normal Mac OS machine that happens to be attached to your head, holds all your files and stuff without communicating to another PC? Can I just run IntelliJ on it and write code? Or does it just replace your monitor(s) ?

Can I run NVim on it?

A vt100 should be enough for anyone

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by nbittich »

Same pattern over and over, futuristic hardware, closed source software. This looks boring to me. I don't expect anything ground breaking from it. It's gonna be an iphone sticked to your eyes. Those big tech companies remove all the fun and excitement we used to have with new hardware. We know how it's gonna behave and it's limitation before it's released to the public.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

inconceivable wrote: post #29
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

Professional don’t buy new technology out of the goodness of their heart. They do it because there is a market to address generally business users. Yet Apple seems to be mostly positioning the Vision as an entertainment centred device targeting a large market. At this price point, it is quite surprising.

I think significant questions remain at this point about their actual go-to-market strategy (unsurprisingly considering they have only been given a short keynote presentation) which make people suspicious if not sceptical when you take into account the other notorious failures in this market.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by veidr »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

Some day, yes, some one will make a VR headset that outclasses the laptop for many computing roles.

I'm one of those people who wants that day to arrive while I am still working, so I follow this space with interest and buy some of these devices.

So far, no headset has gotten close. The Quest Pro is probably the closest, but still very far from the goal.

This Apple device looks like it will get closer still, but it likely will fall short -- at least for a few product generations.

So I think the big question is will this product achieve enough traction to keep existing until the tech gets better and the price gets lower.

A VR headset that focuses on being really good at web apps (including complex ones like GitHub codespaces) would get a lot of the way there.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by pier25 »

inconceivable wrote: post #29
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

It's not going to get significantly cheaper though. Even at half the price it would still be quite expensive considering the roi.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #6
andrewstuart wrote: post #5

At USD$3500, who is it for? And who will develop software for something with such a small user base?

It's priced just like Microsoft's Hololens and aimed at the same target audience that the first version of Hololens was: developers and early adopters. The cheaper mass market consumer version comes later. They've been iterating for years now on something in a thick framed glasses form factor, and haven't gotten anything they think is worth shipping so far. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-glasses

But HoloLens has pretty much entirely abandoned the consumer market and is now targeting the lucrative segment of professional usage where there is obvious gain to me made using AR, a segment Apple has always been mostly uninterested in.
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