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27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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I will never understand why we do not have this kind of device anymore. A small computer, running linux, proper keyboard, integrated LTE - it would be a messaging and writing dream. Back in the days i developed custom software for the Revo, the SDK was a dream to work with as well.

There are still niche products like uConsole[1] which runs on battery, but the first shipment is delayed.

[1] https://www.clockworkpi.com/uconsole

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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I realized I had no idea what actual platform these were (I'm old enough to remember longing for one of these but never had one back in the day). It's powered by the NEV V20 [1] processor, which is a 16-bit chip that is code and pin compatible with the more famous Intel 8088. The NEC chip was launched in March of 1984 which is interesting given that the Psion 3a came in 1991. It feels like today launching a product b…

> It feels like today launching a product based on a 7-year old CPU is more rare. Well. The Raspberry Pi Zero 2 has an ARM Cortex-A53 SoC. The Zero 2 was released in October 2021, and the A53 line in October 2012. I don't think you'd struggle to find other A53 devices being released after 2019. It almost feels like the A53 line is a bit of a special case, but then again, so was the 8088...

Good point, thanks! I guess the RPi's special relationship with Broadcom is shining through a bit there, or something.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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It is a pity that with all the interesting devices that have been left without updates, manufacturers do not release firmwares in a more organised way so that they can be used again, even if only in a limited way. I'm talking about devices such as the Vadem Clio, Nokia 770, blackberry playbook, several minipcs with windowsce, etc...

I imagine it's such a small niche that it's not worth spending time developing and adapting.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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post #19

I realized I had no idea what actual platform these were (I'm old enough to remember longing for one of these but never had one back in the day). It's powered by the NEV V20 [1] processor, which is a 16-bit chip that is code and pin compatible with the more famous Intel 8088. The NEC chip was launched in March of 1984 which is interesting given that the Psion 3a came in 1991. It feels like today launching a product b…

The operating system was called SIBO, which rather unimaginatively stood for SIixteen Bit Operating system.

It is a direct ancestor of EPOC, which in turn was later renamed to "Symbian", as made popular on many Nokia devices.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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I had a 3a and found it more convenient to use than the heavy/bulky laptops of the day. My use cases were diary management, expenses, task tracking/todo, and short emails (via the add-on modem/mobile phone cable). The message app also allowed you to send SMS. The batteries seemed to last forever and being a standard size were available everywhere.

I dont know if a "new psion" would sell in sufficient numbers. It's a device I find myself wondering about (along with a chocolate-bar sized version of the iphone (Nokia 6300 size)). I'd buy one of those for sure, for when I'm not working and need a phone, but dont want the full "slab" to carry around with me.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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The Psion 3C was the device I learned programming on. My father upgraded to a Psion 5 and I got his 3C. It was small enough that it could be hidden under the pillow/blanket when my parents came in to make sure I was sleeping, and then I could spend long nights writing text-based adventure games or calculators or whatever.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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Psion 3c was what got me into programming!

My grandfather gave me his old one when I was a kid. To an 11-year-old, a spreadsheet, world clock, and address book gets old pretty fast :)

But the in-built OPL [1] language provided unlimited possibilities. You can see the icon for it in one of the screenshots.

I remember printing off a copy of the 300-page language manual I found online (breaking dad’s printer in the process). Now 20 years later and I have Psion/OPL to thank for my career.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Programming_Language

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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post #18

I will never understand why we do not have this kind of device anymore. A small computer, running linux, proper keyboard, integrated LTE - it would be a messaging and writing dream. Back in the days i developed custom software for the Revo, the SDK was a dream to work with as well.

You can still have it. You can order one at https://store.planetcom.co.uk Comes preinstalled with android, but you can load linux on them instead if you so wish.

Looks brilliant - though a great pocketable folding keyboard and a 'normal' phone might be better for most people who want a keyboard. I had a brilliant folding Bluetooth keyboard that I used with my Nokia E61 before I used it with my Dell Streak - writing and editing text felt like a dream - but I could ditch the keyboard when it wasn't needed.

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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I had a 3a and found it more convenient to use than the heavy/bulky laptops of the day. My use cases were diary management, expenses, task tracking/todo, and short emails (via the add-on modem/mobile phone cable). The message app also allowed you to send SMS. The batteries seemed to last forever and being a standard size were available everywhere. I dont know if a "new psion" would sell in sufficient numbers. It's a…

I had a series V, I much preferred the keyboard. 2x AA batteries to power it.

I remember connecting to the internet via IRDA to my nokia 6210 around 2000, it was an amazing glimpse of the future

Re: 27 years later and the Psion 3a is still wonderful (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would beg to differ. Many people would love to a e-ink display (no color needed). It is better on the eye, and saves battery, and you can read it in the sunlight. It is not good for watching video, but I'm sure I'm not the only who don't like watching moving pictures on small screens. Most ppl just want to read and send text.

But it's just not how most people work. If you want to do something useful a MacBook Air, Windows eqv, or even just a Chromebook is hugely more productive. The keyboard is full sized, the screen is bigger, it's fast enough for Office (etc) and browsing, it has more memory, and it's not all that much heavier. If you just want to read and send text, any phone will do. And it won't have the annoying slow update on e-ink…

I have done programming work, for 'real things' (...) on a gpd pocket 1 for years fulltime. Works fine; that 'more productive' is just something you have, maybe for what you do. For me the pocket was (it broke) productive as I could just take it anywhere and it had 15 hours of battery life. My Macbook air I have to take out of my bag instead of my pocket, i have to bring my charger (battery life is good, but nowhere near 15 hours), I need a large enough table (in the airplane it's already quite annoying if you don't fly business), etc etc. I type as fast on that thing as on my macbook and i hardly use a trackpad/mouse anyway.

I would basically murder for an Apollo 3+ powered device with rLCD running on AAA batteries (the apollo is very battery friendly) with a keyboard. So like a modern Psion.

Now I use the Nreal with my phone + a MS foldable keyboard as laptop; still beats carrying a backpack with a laptop + charger (phone goes for 15+ hours) and it's a productivity win focus wise. Still would want something as described above as a companion OR powering the glasses.

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