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Research Finds Women Are Advantaged in Being Hired in Academic Science

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Re: Research Finds Women Are Advantaged in Being Hired in Academic Science

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It's been their stated goal in academic hiring, so I don't think this is anything new.

Yes, my first thought on reading the headlines was ,"Great---it's actually working!"

It's worth noting that as of 2020, only 32.5% of full professors were women (https://www.aaup.org/news/data-snapshot-full-time-women-facu...). So still a sizable gap.

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This field is like a minefield for critical thinkers given the sensitivity around the issue and the difficulty in finding rigorous answers.

In stuff like that I don't trust the mainstream, nor I do trust any publication that is not very thorough. Since just establishing if a publication is thorough takes too much time for me I am content with a lot of question marks.

I accept that I do not know anything about general trends - only some personal stuff about myself and some people around me which may be or may not be representative.

Surprisingly you can still live well after you accept you are not required to have an informed opinion of this issue. You can still spend your time having fun and writing code

Re: Research Finds Women Are Advantaged in Being Hired in Academic Science

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More women than men attend college as well. Women are not however overrepresented in the top 10 most dangerous jobs or the military or the homeless population. A lot of talk about the glass ceiling but none about the glass floor.

Not only that, but poorly performing students are more likely to be male, whilst excellent students are more likely to be female. This is true across almsot all disaplines.

The range of attributes and outcomes are more varied for men.

Highest IQ in the world - probably a man.

Lowest - probably also a man.

Boardrooms - full of men.

Prisons - full of men.

Re: Research Finds Women Are Advantaged in Being Hired in Academic Science

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It's been their stated goal in academic hiring, so I don't think this is anything new.

Yes, my first thought on reading the headlines was ,"Great---it's actually working!" It's worth noting that as of 2020, only 32.5% of full professors were women ( https://www.aaup.org/news/data-snapshot-full-time-women-facu... ). So still a sizable gap.

Since most of the older ones are men, I think the career prospects for non-minority men considering academia are grim (if academic careers aren't already).

Re: Research Finds Women Are Advantaged in Being Hired in Academic Science

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It's been their stated goal in academic hiring, so I don't think this is anything new.

Yes, my first thought on reading the headlines was ,"Great---it's actually working!" It's worth noting that as of 2020, only 32.5% of full professors were women ( https://www.aaup.org/news/data-snapshot-full-time-women-facu... ). So still a sizable gap.

Why should the ratio be 50/50? Women continue to prefer to stay home with kids more than men, which reduces the number that will stay on the tenure track and beyond to the end.

Re: Research Finds Women Are Advantaged in Being Hired in Academic Science

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the best suggestions on dealing with this academic discrepancy is having boys take one more year in kindergarten, so that they are one year older than the girls in their grade / year. I'd take this one step further, and claim - from anecdata - that kids should be in quarters, and defer middle school until 6*4 or 7*4 quarters have been reached for girls and boys respectively. My class in highschool, mostly peop…

> having boys take one more year in kindergarten Functionally doing this with both of my children (though not repeating curriculum) after lots of debating and stress. Adding the expectation into the child's head of being "One of the Smart Ones" seems incredibly powerful moving forward.

I know that this is unsolicited advice, but be careful when putting such expectations to children. I know that it has caused me a lot of trouble and many regrets, mostly those of inadequacy even though in retrospect, my environment didn't enable me to flourish.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> having boys take one more year in kindergarten Functionally doing this with both of my children (though not repeating curriculum) after lots of debating and stress. Adding the expectation into the child's head of being "One of the Smart Ones" seems incredibly powerful moving forward.

I know that this is unsolicited advice, but be careful when putting such expectations to children. I know that it has caused me a lot of trouble and many regrets, mostly those of inadequacy even though in retrospect, my environment didn't enable me to flourish.

re: unsolicited advice - PLEASE

  man parenting
  No manual entry for parenting
We've read a number of books; but our plan has pretty much broken down to

* try and not do what our parents did to annoy us as children

* give them every support and opportunity we can

* Don't let them be assholes

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