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Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

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Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

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The original links here, to the actual question asked and the answer by the minister: https://kiitaka.net/21312/

This sounds like the exact opposite of what the title is claiming.

Yeah. Copyright laws in Japan are extremely strict. I would not be surprised at a complete ban on this. This is just a fluff piece like a lot of ads coming in recently.

Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

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So if you train an audio model on say, Eminem's voice, then write some songs and have it perform them...Would this output be legal to publish?

I've been amused by the WH40k videos narrated by David Attenborough.

There was some discussion about this a few years ago regarding Lyrebird - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14182580

In particular, celebrities have an additional right - Right of Publicity.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/publicity

> In the United States, the right of publicity is largely protected by state common or statutory law. Only about half the states have distinctly recognized a right of publicity. Of these, many do not recognize a right by that name but protect it as part of the Right of Privacy. The Restatement Second of Torts recognizes four types of invasions of privacy: intrusion, appropriation of name or likeness, unreasonable publicity, and false light.

https://www.inta.org/topics/right-of-publicity/

> In the United States, no federal statute or case law recognizes the right of publicity, although federal unfair competition law recognizes a related statutory right to protection against false endorsement, association, or affiliation. A majority of states do, however, recognize the right of publicity by statute and/or case law. States diverge on whether the right survives posthumously and, if so, for how long, and also on whether the right of publicity is inheritable or assignable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights (and in particular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#Japan )

> In October 2007, J-pop duo Pink Lady sued Kobunsha for ¥3.7 million after the publisher's magazine Josei Jishin used photos of the duo on an article on dieting through dancing without their permission. The case was rejected by the Tokyo District Court. In February 2012, the Supreme Court rejected the duo's appeal based on the right of publicity.

Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

#35

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Am I allowed to distribute these ROMs of Pokemon games over BitTorrent? I don't own Pokemon.

God created emulators for ROMs to be loaded into them.

To not distribute the ROMs would be heresy.

Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

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I think this should generally be true. The aggregation performed by model training is highly lossy and the model itself is a derived work at worst and is certainly fair use. It may produce stuff that violates copyright, but the way you use or distribute the product of the model that can violate copyright. Making it write code that’s a clone of copyright code or making it make pictures with copy right imagery in it or…

>The aggregation performed by model training is highly lossy and the model itself is a derived work at worst and is certainly fair use. I mean, I've literally gotten the Superman logo in Stable Diffusion without even trying, so it isn't that lossy.

And if you use it, you’re violating copyright. But you will find no copy of the logo in the model data. The model is way too small to contain its training imagery from an information theoretic point of view.

Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

#37

I think this should generally be true. The aggregation performed by model training is highly lossy and the model itself is a derived work at worst and is certainly fair use. It may produce stuff that violates copyright, but the way you use or distribute the product of the model that can violate copyright. Making it write code that’s a clone of copyright code or making it make pictures with copy right imagery in it or…

No. Making a single copy for your own use is still a copyright violation. There are exceptions (fair use, nomitive use etc) but just because people are rarely sued for personal copying doesnt equate to that copying being permitted. And trademark issues, such as the other commenter generating the superman logo, are subject to a host of other rules.

Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I allowed to distribute these ROMs of Pokemon games over BitTorrent? I don't own Pokemon.

No. I answered your question, do you have an answer for mine?

you can draw it but you can't [legally] sell it without permission from The Pokemon Company. And you definitely can't start a new media franchise based on your OC which combines jigglypuff with Sonic the Hedgehog.

Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference between that and someone else who just happens to sound like Eminem in terms out output? As long as you don't market yourself as Eminem that should be completely legal.

I suppose so. I'm just imagining these "ghost AI artists" who publish catalogues of music using the audible likeness of more prolific artists. I know that you could have always just hired an Eminem impersonator and have them lay down tracks...but this technology lets you achieve speed and scale. At least the Eminem impersonator was a real person. This is just a model learned off an artists voice.

> At least the Eminem impersonator was a real person. This is just a model learned off an artists voice.

I fail to see how that has any difference on the output.

Re: Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

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> This is a horrible decision from Japan. Eh, I doubt it. AI is potentially something that can massively increase productivity. With a declining population in the foreseeable future, an increased productivity may well be a boost that they need.

Boost for who though? if it works out there'll be more for less. Wages won't increase, the number of jobs won't increase the price of assets will inflate. None of these are good things for 99% of us.
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