Arm announces the Cortex X4 for 2024, plus a 14-core M2-fighter

Post by vlovich123 » Wed, May 31, 2023, 3:14 PM UTC

argsnd wrote: post #28

m0shen wrote: post #27

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Number one in performance / watt? maybe? sales? Well no. According to the web[1] total chip sales in 2022 excluding arm amount to 374 million units. Server chips being 36.1 million units. Apple's biggest quarter in 2022 was 7 million macs in Q4[2]. [1]: https://www.networkworld.com/article/3688288/amd-gains-share... [2]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-ma...

Why are you excluding iOS devices?

Post by dagmx » Wed, May 31, 2023, 3:19 PM UTC

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phh wrote: post #2

To quickly lower expectations before reading the article: > Every year with these Arm flagship chip announcements, the company also includes a wild design for a giant mega-chip that usually never gets built. That being said, this 14-core figure is when doing a full-Arm SoC (with Arm internal bus). SoC vendors are still allowed (AFAIK [0]) to do their custom interconnect that goes higher than that [0] there have been…

> there have been rumors seen here that Arm is pushing towards a model where SoC vendors must do all-Arm components Smells like FUD spread by Qualcomm, who are currently in a legal battle with ARM.

Post by hardware2win » Wed, May 31, 2023, 3:35 PM UTC

vlovich123 wrote: post #31

argsnd wrote: post #28

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Why are you excluding iOS devices?

For anyone curious, iPhones ship 234 million a year, Watch around 60 million, iPad another 20 million. Not sure about Apple TV but let's assume that's 0. That's over 300 million CPUs a year. I doubt the total chip number for the industry though - Intel alone ships ~100M. But it's clear Apple is very likely the largest manufacturer of CPUs. * Correction: MediaTek shipped 350M units in 2020 and Qualcomm shipped 319M (d…

Post by DCKing » Wed, May 31, 2023, 4:03 PM UTC

GeekyBear wrote: post #24

DCKing wrote: post #15

I did not expect ARM would take so long to catch up with even the Apple M1 or the same core designs in the Apple A14. The Cortex X3 in the current flagship chip Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 still _just_ fails to match the Apple A14 (let alone the A15 and A16), perhaps this little design boost is finally enough to match it. If Microsoft can get Qualcomm to implement some of the same chip tricks Apple pulled off for x86 emulatio…

> I did not expect ARM would take so long to catch up with even the Apple M1 or the same core designs in the Apple A14. As mentioned in the article, you might want to pay attention to the traditional difference between what ARM promises and what it delivers. > these launch events have a history of making performance claims that don't align with what actually arrives in consumers' hands

Post by wpm » Wed, May 31, 2023, 4:10 PM UTC

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It's not surprising, anyone who sells iPhones is going to need a lot of chips. Gelsinger wasn't half wrong anyways - outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show.

> outside the consumer hardware market Apple is a no-show. I don’t have the data, but tech companies are often full of Macs. Sometimes I also see small businesses running iMacs.