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Re: Hackathons are nonsense

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Starting in 2007 we started holding Haskell hackathons twice a year.

They have been absolutely vital for building team cohesion in the sprawling open source efforts, and consistently produce good plans for the work that happens after we leave the event. Project launches also happen at these gatherings.

You just have to make sure everyone is engaged, knows each other, and what they're working on. Plan ahead, and arrive with code.

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

#32
I think that Hackathons are invaluable for meeting people you are going to work with long term. However, I agree it's rare that you will do something significant during an 8/10/12 hour hackathon.

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

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I disagree. Hackathons are sprints, and just like have the occasional sprint workout can be a great way to augment your distance running routine, hackathons can be great for augmenting your software development routine. Here are some reasons why I like taking part in a hackathon event (assuming the goal is to produce some sort of web application): - Tradeoffs are easy. You have no time for bells or whistles. You cons…

as a regular long run runner and coder, I totally agree with you. For training, not only building base is important, if you wanna achieve a good pace during marathon, running fast like a blast is part of it. More detailed, we basically have 4 phases for training. 1)acclimatizing phase, 2)building-up phase, 3)overall preparation phase, and 4)special preparation phase. Hacktons are more like phase 4, not so accurate analogy,but the spirit is the same. Digging deep, changing the routine, a big improvement is coming.

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

#34
I've done numerous hackathons, and more often than not, I'm disappointed. Yesterday, I participated in the Hacker Olympics "hackathon" in Manhattan. It was absolutely awesome, and somewhat of a unique event. We did silly things like have timed contests on who can assemble a computer the fastest, who gets the most kills in N64 golden eye ... oh ... and some coding too! Most of the programming challenges were easy but with tight timelines. This is certainly different from the regular build-an-app-over-a-weekend.

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

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I will say that I, as a physics student, mentally crunched the numbers in my head when I saw a recent Wired article. It said: Consider the action around Apple’s iOS alone: Since its 2007 debut, 500,000 applications have generated $3 billion for developers. (Android’s 400,000 apps have earned around $100 million.) ... It costs $5,000 to throw an event for 100 participants—a tiny investment considering the payoff if a…

> Do they keep all of the submissions

I've never actually been to any hackday where they kept the submissions. The only one I've been to that was really organised by a particular tech company, they obviously tried to get you to use their platform but said you didn't have to (some didn't and it was fine). Is this common?

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

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post #23

I will say that I, as a physics student, mentally crunched the numbers in my head when I saw a recent Wired article. It said: Consider the action around Apple’s iOS alone: Since its 2007 debut, 500,000 applications have generated $3 billion for developers. (Android’s 400,000 apps have earned around $100 million.) ... It costs $5,000 to throw an event for 100 participants—a tiny investment considering the payoff if a…

> Do they keep all of the submissions I've never actually been to any hackday where they kept the submissions. The only one I've been to that was really organised by a particular tech company, they obviously tried to get you to use their platform but said you didn't have to (some didn't and it was fine). Is this common?

Just to clarify, I've seen lots of hackdays organised by platform providers so they let you keep the end result and they still benefited because their platform got traction/apps/focus/whatever but never one where they actually take your work off you.

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

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post #31

Starting in 2007 we started holding Haskell hackathons twice a year. They have been absolutely vital for building team cohesion in the sprawling open source efforts, and consistently produce good plans for the work that happens after we leave the event. Project launches also happen at these gatherings. You just have to make sure everyone is engaged, knows each other, and what they're working on. Plan ahead, and arriv…

I've been to an OpenBSD hackathon (which has been doing them since 1999) and I think those and the Haskell hackathons differ from many of these new events that people are calling hackathons.

For OpenBSD, the developers are all working as a team on a central project, but usually have sub-projects or tasks related to OpenBSD that they've been working on independently prior to the event. They bring their code to work on or debug, they meet new developers that are normally scattered around the world, test code on different machines, discuss new projects, and socialize (which usually brings out more ideas). Most of the time, those ideas aren't finished at the end of the event, but they've been given some direction and help or have been inspired to start on something new.

The hackathons that Winer is writing about are basically just competitions to see who can throw something together in 24 hours or however long the event is. The ones I've seen put on by Facebook and Twilio seem like nothing more than marketing for their own products, and the developers get some marketing for themselves by winning the competitions.

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

#38
Although I've never participated in a hackathon, and it's not something I'm particularly interested in, I can completely see the value in them.

It's like a jam session for musicians. It's a way to immerse yourself in the art of creating. 99% of all jam sessions are probably crap, but maybe, just maybe, you'll get that one killer riff that will be the basis of your next hit song.

In the same way, yes, I'm pretty sure that there won't be any Angry Bird 2.0's coming out of a hackathon, but maybe the beginnings of an idea that could lead to the next great app will be born from one.

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

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post #31

Starting in 2007 we started holding Haskell hackathons twice a year. They have been absolutely vital for building team cohesion in the sprawling open source efforts, and consistently produce good plans for the work that happens after we leave the event. Project launches also happen at these gatherings. You just have to make sure everyone is engaged, knows each other, and what they're working on. Plan ahead, and arriv…

I've been to an OpenBSD hackathon (which has been doing them since 1999) and I think those and the Haskell hackathons differ from many of these new events that people are calling hackathons. For OpenBSD, the developers are all working as a team on a central project, but usually have sub-projects or tasks related to OpenBSD that they've been working on independently prior to the event. They bring their code to work on…

The Haskell ones were modeled on the OpenBSD ones, by the way. (I used to maintain the Haskell ecosystem in ports).

Re: Hackathons are nonsense

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Hackathons are primarily a way for companies to more easily identify good developer hire candidates, and likewise, for developers to make new connections and promote themselves. Everything else is a shared lie and/or a distand second in importance.

This might be true for some of them. But it is not for those, which I attended.
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