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Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by liuliu »

pixl97 wrote: post #28
liuliu wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything agree with, until: > but if you have a blog post that hits the front page of HN. HN traffic is so small that unless you are using Raspberry Pi Pico, it is fine. Your 5-year old Android phone probably can handle HN traffic just fine. (HN traffic is in a range of single-digit kilo qps).

Well, if you're serving reasonable amounts of text and not including a javascript kitchen sink. I mean yes, you probably should be serving library off an edge network, but I've seen stranger. Then that goes out the window the moment you have any media on that Pi... ISP upload speed in the US is balls. Oh, did I mention that most ISPs in the US don't allow hosting websites? So are you putting that Pi in a datacenter?…

None of what you mentioned related to "traffic to a blog post from HN front page". I am just saying "traffic from HN front page" is a poor example of things that need "scale up".

Not disagreeing all the challenges you mentioned. Just "traffic from HN front page" is so easy it is a poor example.

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by TexanFeller »

BozeWolf wrote: post #25
magikstm wrote: post #11

The cloud is renting someone else's computer at a way higher price than it would cost you to use your own. If it makes things difficult, you shouldn't be using it. It is overhyped and it sucks for most use case.

until you realize you have to build a datacenter yourself. Or order purestorage appliances for 3 datacenters you have your hardware in. And then realize dc 1 does not physically have enough space to add more storage servers. But you need that third site. There is no convenient 4th “spare” site. Let alone 100 across the world. Or that your business has to replace a router on one of the dcs and then you have to do all…

> until you realize you have to build a datacenter yourself

Have you never heard of a colo? Rent 1-2 racks in one of those. And you probably won't need more than 1-2 racks because that's what Stack Overflow runs on.

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by rockostrich »

pixl97 wrote: post #28
liuliu wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything agree with, until: > but if you have a blog post that hits the front page of HN. HN traffic is so small that unless you are using Raspberry Pi Pico, it is fine. Your 5-year old Android phone probably can handle HN traffic just fine. (HN traffic is in a range of single-digit kilo qps).

Well, if you're serving reasonable amounts of text and not including a javascript kitchen sink. I mean yes, you probably should be serving library off an edge network, but I've seen stranger. Then that goes out the window the moment you have any media on that Pi... ISP upload speed in the US is balls. Oh, did I mention that most ISPs in the US don't allow hosting websites? So are you putting that Pi in a datacenter?…

TIL it's against Verizon's ToS to host a website on a residential account. Ah well, I guess I'll continue to roll the dice.

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by wackget »

"Cloud is too difficult, you have to learn tons of stuff to use it!"

"BTW here's the new product I'm selling which requires you to learn a new cloud-oriented programming language and has its own CLI and has diagrams like [this](https://docs.winglang.io/assets/images/arch-f803472c761aa198...) on its introduction page!"

The cognitive dissonance is overwhelming...

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by KptMarchewa »

I would love something like networking-as-a-service. My ignorant ass do not understand the specifics related to it. I would love to option to specify that service A should be able to call service B irregardless of IP schemes, peering, firewalls, service discovery and 1000 other layers.

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by thegaulofthem »

magikstm wrote: post #11

The cloud is renting someone else's computer at a way higher price than it would cost you to use your own. If it makes things difficult, you shouldn't be using it. It is overhyped and it sucks for most use case.

I work in one of those pesky HIPPO companies. For us, all of our AWS infrastructure up to including nifty shit like Cognito is HITRUST certified. For us, we get to offload an ass of compliance headache which is worth our 2-4x multiple as the server overhead is far less than a team of compliance and security wonks.

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by JohnMakin »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #35

I would love something like networking-as-a-service. My ignorant ass do not understand the specifics related to it. I would love to option to specify that service A should be able to call service B irregardless of IP schemes, peering, firewalls, service discovery and 1000 other layers.

The problem with your request is there's a million ways to do that, some much less secure than others - I could satisfy your request by putting service B's security group wide open to 0.0.0.0/0, but then every other possible service could also reach it.

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by JohnMakin »

magikstm wrote: post #11

The cloud is renting someone else's computer at a way higher price than it would cost you to use your own. If it makes things difficult, you shouldn't be using it. It is overhyped and it sucks for most use case.

> The cloud is renting someone else's computer at a way higher price than it would cost you to use your own.

economy of scale says hello

Re: Cloud, Why So Difficult?

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Post by ecliptik »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #35

I would love something like networking-as-a-service. My ignorant ass do not understand the specifics related to it. I would love to option to specify that service A should be able to call service B irregardless of IP schemes, peering, firewalls, service discovery and 1000 other layers.

Tailscale [1] can do this. I've always had a limit of how much networking I can grok, and Taiscale basically let's me run a 90s style LAN across clouds and my local network like they're all connected to the same switch and VLAN. No port forwarding, firewall rules, or subnet management.

It can be made even more secure with some relatively incompatible ACLs sprinkled in too.

1. https://tailscale.com/

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