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Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

tombert wrote: post #20
jawns wrote: post #14

> if you vote Republican in 2024, you vote erasure. You vote oppression. You vote fascism As a registered independent who finds both major parties unconscionable, this line of argument worries me. Frankly, members of both parties can ascribe the worst possible motives to those who vote for the opposition, precisely because both parties are a massive tangle of complex social, economic, political, and administrative is…

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Yep. Whenever I see "republicans and democrats are the same", I know I'm talking to someone not directly affected by the policy differences (so someone likely cis, white, straight, and/or middle-class or higher).

Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by [deleted] »

whitemary wrote: post #12
dale_glass wrote: post #4

The whole discourse over this in the US is getting nuts as of late. We justifiably get annoyed when uninformed lawmakers make sweeping laws without understanding the technical issues involved. It's frankly bizarre to have some 80 year old fossil who can barely understand using a cell phone be involved in something like deciding net neutrality or AI regulations. We should be equally annoyed at the current trend of thr…

It distracts from the economy. Simple as that.

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Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by _pjx9 »

jawns wrote: post #14

> if you vote Republican in 2024, you vote erasure. You vote oppression. You vote fascism As a registered independent who finds both major parties unconscionable, this line of argument worries me. Frankly, members of both parties can ascribe the worst possible motives to those who vote for the opposition, precisely because both parties are a massive tangle of complex social, economic, political, and administrative is…

This is a bad moment to be playing the enlightened centrist.

The main point is that one party in particular is pushing discriminatory legislation against a minority group and demonizing them. That counts as oppression to me. People who vote for said party are therefore voting for those things - voting for despite not supporting such policies is still enabling said discrimination.

Your response seems victim blamey. Yes, the post is ascribing the worst motives at times. The cynic in me sees the anti-trans campaign as a political distraction from other issues that actually affect the voting base's lives. Doesn't change the fact it's hurting and likely taking human lives.

You compare the situation to Hutus and Tutsis. In this case she is a Tutsi, warning about the increasing threat of Hutus - whose rhetoric becomes more violent by the day - and is asking for help.

Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by john003 »

jawns wrote: post #14

> if you vote Republican in 2024, you vote erasure. You vote oppression. You vote fascism As a registered independent who finds both major parties unconscionable, this line of argument worries me. Frankly, members of both parties can ascribe the worst possible motives to those who vote for the opposition, precisely because both parties are a massive tangle of complex social, economic, political, and administrative is…

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Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by tombert »

hersko wrote: post #29
tombert wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it allows basically any parent to sue to the teacher for mentioning basically anything involving sexual orientation, the fact that it doesn't really define what is disallowed, the fact that it was extended all the way until twelfth grade, the fact that there's little repercussions for a parent lying or embellishing. ETA: Oh, also, because it's basically predicated on a homophobic conspiracy about gay pe…

I'm just looking at the bill [1]. It seems like a very straight forward reinforcement of a parents rights to oversee the education of their kids. > any parent to sue to the teacher for mentioning basically anything involving sexual orientation "prohibiting a school district from encouraging classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a specified manner. ..... to adhe…

> "prohibiting a school district from encouraging classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels or in a specified manner. ..... to adhere to standards developed by the department of education."

I'm not 100% sure what that means though. What if a kid draws a picture of his two dads or two moms; does the teacher just not allow him to present to the class because that might lead to a discussion of sexuality? It's not clear, and as a result it will probably lead to "othering" of gay parents.

> I don't know what you mean here, but presumably if the parents take a teacher to court and lose (because they lied/embellished) they would have just wasted their legal fees.

Yes, but then (I believe) it's up to the school to actively countersue to retrieve legal fees for a frivolous lawsuit. Again, it's not really clear.

> Not sure about this. I think the bill came out before the whole groomer thing.

Simply not true: https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/597215...

Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

bsaul wrote: post #13

« I’m on the board overseeing Linux graphics. Half of us are trans » From a purely statistical POV, this is absurdly bizarre.

Yeah. Trans men and cis women are like unicorns.

There are more cis women (>50% of the U.S. population) than cis men. Trans women are still like ~1% of the population, and that's being generous.

And there are more trans women than cis women in these spaces.

I don't know what it says (feminism failed? pre-transition heteronormative programming?? bIoLoGy???), but bizarre's the right word. (The smartest programmers I know are trans women too, fwiw.)

Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by krapp »

jawns wrote: post #14

> if you vote Republican in 2024, you vote erasure. You vote oppression. You vote fascism As a registered independent who finds both major parties unconscionable, this line of argument worries me. Frankly, members of both parties can ascribe the worst possible motives to those who vote for the opposition, precisely because both parties are a massive tangle of complex social, economic, political, and administrative is…

The Republican Party is moving in a very dark direction, and has been for years now. This isn't just red team/blue team partisan cheerleading. This isn't Trump Derangement syndrome. Both parties aren't equal in this regard. I think the author's fear is justified and maybe the onus should be on Republicans to finally smell the rot in their own house instead of on everyone else to be polite about it.

Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by Ardon »

bsaul wrote: post #13

« I’m on the board overseeing Linux graphics. Half of us are trans » From a purely statistical POV, this is absurdly bizarre.

I think there's a few factors going into making this more likely (though still unlikely on the whole)

Much of the difficulty of being trans is social, which makes it more likely for people to come out / actively transition in environments with less social consequences. Programming, as an activity which can be anonymous and online fits that bill simply because there's less socializing at all.

And speaking of social difficulties, most people don't want to be social trailblazers. They don't want to be the first trans person in a group and deal with the potential existing prejudices, or more likely ignorance. So if you see a group that already contains trans people, you're probably seeing a group you can slide into without much difficulty.

Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by notacoward »

dale_glass wrote: post #4

The whole discourse over this in the US is getting nuts as of late. We justifiably get annoyed when uninformed lawmakers make sweeping laws without understanding the technical issues involved. It's frankly bizarre to have some 80 year old fossil who can barely understand using a cell phone be involved in something like deciding net neutrality or AI regulations. We should be equally annoyed at the current trend of thr…

> There's no reason whatsoever why random people...

Having "random people" participate is a cornerstone of democracy. As others have pointed out, it's what separates democracy from elitist technocracy - and, ultimately, oligarchy.

The problem is that another cornerstone is the public's responsibility to educate themselves. Nobody seems to do that any more, including here. This is the foundation that's failing. Fix the broken cornerstone, not the one that's still intact (though under assault in the form of gerrymandering and disenfranchisement).

Re: Growing Up Alyssa

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Post by throwwwwww000 »

marcodiego wrote: post #18

Right wing political parties in the world are taking a crusade against LGBT rights. In brazil the situation is ridiculous: a parliamentarian used the tribune in the International Womens' Day to attack trans women[1]. A significant part of the population is against against trans rights basing their arguments on religion and "morality". There are great efforts to ban even talking about it in schools. brazil is the coun…

> brazil is the country with highest number of trans people killings in the world[2] and homophobia is the rule rather than the exception.

Not surprising when Brazil is a very dangerous country with a very high number of killings, period. It just naturally follows that the number of gay/trans people killings is also very high.

I mean, we can probably concoct some statistics to prove that Brazil is also one of the countries that kill more cis/hetero people too.

None of this to say that the right wing in Brazil is okay. They engage in this cultural war nonsense to try to stay relevant after Bolsonaro ridiculously lost the last elections even after all things he did to try and steal it.

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