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Re: Simulated Hospital

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When they say "Most EHRs use a message format called HL7v2, which is ugly and tedious to type." they aren't kidding, here's an example of it: MSH|^~\&|FROM_APP|FROM_FACILITY|TO_APP|TO_FACILITY|20180101000000||ADT^A01|20180101000000|P|2.5| EVN|A01|20110613083617| PID|1|843125^^^^MRN|21004053^^^^MRN~2269030303^^^^ORGNMBR||SULLY^BRIAN||19611209|M|||123 MAIN ST^^CITY^STATE^12345| PV1||I|H73 RM1^1^^HIGHWAY 01 CLINIC||||51…

no shot anyone actually types this out, right? surely this must be generated by machines for machine ingestion.

yeah

Re: Simulated Hospital

#32

This has nothing to do with Theme Hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_Hospital

Fun link: Theme Hospital is the follow-up to Theme Park, Theme Park was co-created by Demis Hassabis, Demis Hassabis founded DeepMind, DeepMind was acquired by Google, DeepMind has been incorporated into Google Health, surely Simulated Hospital sits within Google Health.

Re: Simulated Hospital

#33
I am frequently asked about why systems in institutional healthcare are so hard to modernize, this has come up a lot related to pricing transparency. While HL7 is in theory a standard, in practice it is a semi-parseable "email" between two parties that know each other.

Widely used systems like EPIC have bugs and quirks that have existed so long that the bugs themselves have become their own standard. Because HL7 relationships typically happen between longterm consistent partners both parties tend to evolve the format to suit localized needs and this business logic and the reasons for it are lost to time. It isn't that rare to find HL7 interfaces that have been in use for 20+ years that have become vital black boxes. HL7 2.x, still widely used, was originated in 1989.

In a lot of case modernization like FHIR is nothing more than taking the old garbage and putting it in a new fancier bag.

As whacky as HL7 may seem it is really nothing compared to its much bigger uglier older brother, X12 837/835, used for communication of billing information from performing entity to insurer.

Re: Simulated Hospital

#36
post #24
post #22

When they say "Most EHRs use a message format called HL7v2, which is ugly and tedious to type." they aren't kidding, here's an example of it: MSH|^~\&|FROM_APP|FROM_FACILITY|TO_APP|TO_FACILITY|20180101000000||ADT^A01|20180101000000|P|2.5| EVN|A01|20110613083617| PID|1|843125^^^^MRN|21004053^^^^MRN~2269030303^^^^ORGNMBR||SULLY^BRIAN||19611209|M|||123 MAIN ST^^CITY^STATE^12345| PV1||I|H73 RM1^1^^HIGHWAY 01 CLINIC||||51…

no shot anyone actually types this out, right? surely this must be generated by machines for machine ingestion.

They probably do, and if NOTAMs are any indication, it's probably also read by people too.

Re: Simulated Hospital

#37
post #22

When they say "Most EHRs use a message format called HL7v2, which is ugly and tedious to type." they aren't kidding, here's an example of it: MSH|^~\&|FROM_APP|FROM_FACILITY|TO_APP|TO_FACILITY|20180101000000||ADT^A01|20180101000000|P|2.5| EVN|A01|20110613083617| PID|1|843125^^^^MRN|21004053^^^^MRN~2269030303^^^^ORGNMBR||SULLY^BRIAN||19611209|M|||123 MAIN ST^^CITY^STATE^12345| PV1||I|H73 RM1^1^^HIGHWAY 01 CLINIC||||51…

You can ask GPT to expand it for you without any context and it will fill in the headers and explain each field.

Re: Simulated Hospital

#38

This has nothing to do with Theme Hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_Hospital

Fun link: Theme Hospital is the follow-up to Theme Park, Theme Park was co-created by Demis Hassabis, Demis Hassabis founded DeepMind, DeepMind was acquired by Google, DeepMind has been incorporated into Google Health, surely Simulated Hospital sits within Google Health.

That's crazy. I remember playing Theme Hospital too.

Re: Simulated Hospital

#39
post #37
post #22

When they say "Most EHRs use a message format called HL7v2, which is ugly and tedious to type." they aren't kidding, here's an example of it: MSH|^~\&|FROM_APP|FROM_FACILITY|TO_APP|TO_FACILITY|20180101000000||ADT^A01|20180101000000|P|2.5| EVN|A01|20110613083617| PID|1|843125^^^^MRN|21004053^^^^MRN~2269030303^^^^ORGNMBR||SULLY^BRIAN||19611209|M|||123 MAIN ST^^CITY^STATE^12345| PV1||I|H73 RM1^1^^HIGHWAY 01 CLINIC||||51…

You can ask GPT to expand it for you without any context and it will fill in the headers and explain each field.

Good learning tool if you use it on generated data.

Don't paste actual patient data.

Re: Simulated Hospital

#40

This has nothing to do with Theme Hospital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_Hospital

for those who miss Theme Hospital, the recent Two Point Hospital is a (good) spiritual sequel
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