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Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#31
My girlfriend's phone is stollen and last location is in China. I'm sure they are selling the parts and the motherboard is useless. If those parts wouldn't work with other phones this theft would be less incentivized.

Serial lock is a good thing if the owner had the option to unlock their phone's parts on Apple's website to be usable for repairs etc.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#32

What a shitty company. Time and time again they shaft consumers yet people buy into the ecosystem. Marketing works unfortunately.

I love these complaints that are so obviously from a tech bubble. I see so many senior citizens with iPhones, they must be buying the hype…

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#33

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Honestly I wish they would serial lock every single part of the phone possible. And then unlock them when you detach your apple account from it. Put up a message that says "This display is owned by another apple account" and refuse to function until it's removed or you contact the owner to have it unlinked. Unless Apple is dealing with thefts at the factories before they make it in to a phone.

Technically they could do this already, it could just cause some bad publicity when people who got their phone 3rd party repaired wake up with a message that their screen is stolen.

Do it for new part swaps only. And make it clear in the message that you can use the part, you just have to unlink it from the owning account.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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I can see used devices being more trustworthy if the hardware is not able to be modified by the previous owner.

Just make it possible to display the list of hw changes.

More complexity, more chance of problems.

For example, my dad used to use Androids. Without fail, he would get malware on them, he simply could not resist bypassing the security prompt to click on something he wanted to click on. Or maybe he does not understand English, or the concept of malware enough to properly heed the security warning pop up.

With iPhone, it’s not possible, so there is no worry, and no malware. Same with the hardware changes. People like my dad, or my wife, or even me who have very little interest in technology simply want to trust their device. And this device is literally the key to their life, their financials, their personal data.

All I know is my life has been made much easier by slinging Apple devices at people in my family that they simply do not have a way to mess up.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#36

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Because the camera represents the analog hole. If you can replace the camera, you can hook the phone up to a computer and feed it pictures of faces instead, until the phone unlocks.

If you find that attack vector so scary, I'm sorry to inform you that it is already possible to prop up an iphone against a pizza box and have it stare at a screen showing a feed of pictures. Admittedly you might have to put the iphone on its side so you can get the charging cable in there, which means you might have to figure out how to rotate the pictures too.

How would that https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Apple_Fa... work with a photo?

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#37

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Just make it possible to display the list of hw changes.

More complexity, more chance of problems. For example, my dad used to use Androids. Without fail, he would get malware on them, he simply could not resist bypassing the security prompt to click on something he wanted to click on. Or maybe he does not understand English, or the concept of malware enough to properly heed the security warning pop up. With iPhone, it’s not possible, so there is no worry, and no malware.…

The topic seems have changed to sideloading here, for that they can bury the setting somewhere or require connecting a PC over USB (but hopefully without involving Apple’s servers or requiring a Mac) to enable it if that’s really their motivation

But their main motivation is likely control and profit more than safety

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#38

What a shitty company. Time and time again they shaft consumers yet people buy into the ecosystem. Marketing works unfortunately.

Perhaps, but their policies and support for old hardware far exceeds anything you see in the Android world. But you point out THIS "shitty company" while not throwing your gaze towards all the other "shitty companies" like Samsung, or Google, or Sony, or Microsoft. Could it be that your disdain for the type of people that buy Apple products just rings through? The tried and true "them" vs "me" attitude.

Personally, I just let strangers like what they want to like. WTF do I care if they like this phone instead of this other phone.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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post #31

My girlfriend's phone is stollen and last location is in China. I'm sure they are selling the parts and the motherboard is useless. If those parts wouldn't work with other phones this theft would be less incentivized. Serial lock is a good thing if the owner had the option to unlock their phone's parts on Apple's website to be usable for repairs etc.

Why not give the owner the option to lock the parts instead? I bet a lot of people don't even consider potential reuse when they intentionally discard their phone.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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When the camera fails you don't exactly have many options because you can't really order the official parts. Why would the camera be of consequence, though? Isn't authentication data stored in the proprietary TPM thing Apple includes in their devices?

> Why would the camera be of consequence, though? Insisting on approved camera avoids making it easier for bad actors to stealthily capture's a victim's biometrics and then use a third party "camera" to replay that information and unlock the victim's phone without them being present.

You could just install another camera alongside the existing one and still do that, so that’s not the reason
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