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It Wasn't AI
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#32Has anyone tried using an LLM as an LLM detector yet?
It works…ish. GPT4 is pretty good at detecting what it wrote but I was able to get a false positive with the United States constitution. Or maybe we can go deeper and say maybe it was AI generated?
So if you submitted the US Constitution word for word for your assignment you wouldn't expect the cheating detector to flag it? How isn't this flagrant plagiarism?
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#33IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…
When I was in college we had a number of group projects and I thought the whole time that it would make a ton of sense for the professor to set up a class repo (I'm a old person so they would be a CVS repo at the time) and be able to see exactly what each person had contributed to the project. Even for single person projects it would have made it so much easier to detect cheaters. I also think it might light a fire u…
I think you overestimate the competence of the majority of professors. They can’t require version control if they don’t understand what it is or how to use it.
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#34IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…
Or they could move to a more British style, with in-person essays, proctored by human observers (not that there aren't old-fashioned ways to cheat on those too, but they're well-known).
Yes, when I had to take university entry exams in Brazil, all parts of the exam were in person, including writing the essay, with a mandatory topic only disclosed when the exam starts. Preventing ai cheating might become more difficult for educational projects that are long form, like writing a dissertation, or big coding challenges. Although, for coding, one thing that I have consistenly seen work, is to just ask students to do a walk through of the code. People that just copy someone elses work are generally lazy, and don't really study what they copied, and it becomes easy to see who put in the work.
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#35IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…
I don't know if this is the way things should go, but it seems like a decent prediction about how they probably will. In fact, many law school exams are already administered using "blue book" software that functions as rudimentary word processors that lock down the computer's other functions for the duration of the exam. Perhaps other disciplines use this software too.
In the exam context, this software probably already solves the AI problem. Locking down the computer would not, of course, be a solution for other kinds of assignments, but I'll bet it won't be long until schools are using software like you described that are just do a lot of snooping instead of locking down the computer.
Unfortunately, the existing software is very clunky and not very reliable. And it doesn't seem like anybody has a strong incentive to improve it. (The schools license the software, and the schools understandably don't care all that much whether the software is nice to use.)
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#36This is an "everything sucks all around situation" because since real things are tied to academic performance you have to weed out dishonesty for fairness but also the power disparity between student/teacher and the black box nature of the detection makes it impossible to actually prove your innocence.
I wish more than anything that the availability of AI will at some point force schools to restructure how classes work to make cheating like this a non-issue. Higher education is actually unbelievably horrible at actually educating. I only realized that once I graduated and on a whim wanted to learn about something that requires university level expertise. If you're not there for the credential it's a monumental waste of time. If classes were designed for students who wanted to be there and the grades were only for your benefit and not used as a target for anything you might actually have engaged learners.
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#37IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…
Instead of spyware, just issue mechanical typewriters.
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#38IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…
My wife started teaching a class at the local university. She had a bunch of positives on the anti-plagiarism software used by the university. She ran a bunch of papers by me and man, analyzing the results are an art within it's self. People will unconsciously remember and write down phrases and smaller sentences they have read all the time. A little highlight here and there just has to be accepted. Then there are the papers that almost the entire thing is highlighted. It's the ones in between that are tricky as hell. A lot could have gone either way and it's a judgement call on the teacher whether to send it to the administration for review. I expect AI will just make it more difficult or hand writing is going to be the new hot subject taught to new levels in elementary...
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#39> Web server is down Error code 521
I’m seeing an error message from cloudflare.
Is the website working for anyone else? Is there an archive / mirror?
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#40IMO one of the way that most schools are going to end up being able to detect plagiarism is going to be a custom word processor (or something similar) that can track all of the edits made into a document. Basically, have the students type an essay where all of the keystrokes are recorded by the program, and so it can be detected by the program whether someone is copy and pasting whole essays, or if someone is actuall…
Maybe you connect to school chat AI and then it probes you for knowledge. Same AI watches you write essay type bits and helps you out if you get something wrong. Teacher will get report how well you did and how present you were.