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Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by leesalminen »

Aachen wrote: post #10
leesalminen wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When GDPR went into effect, our company had ~5 clients in the EU (out of thousands). It was cheaper to drop those 5 clients than attempt to even read and comply with the regulation. We weren’t even doing anything nefarious, it just wasn’t worth our time to spend any brainpower thinking about it.

Haven't heard of the 1995 data regulation I suppose then, or that it's mostly common sense to tell what you do with other people's personal information, but sure, drop out of the entire market over this. I think the parent commenter was complaining about things that aren't EU-wide. This was and you're saying it's still not good enough

> or that it's mostly common sense to tell what you do with other people's personal information

We had a very restrictive privacy policy. We never shared or sold any information with third parties. We contractually stated this.

But that’s not enough for GDPR.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by prophesi »

loufe wrote: post #24

I would love to go the framework route, but they need to offer screen options. We are in the OLED age, why not offer the option?

Some crazy person modified their Framework to use the Acer Spin 713 OLED display[0], but I really hope down the road there's an OLED option to purchase directly from their Marketplace. I'm betting the Framework 16 will have it, but there still hasn't been too much revealed about it.

The speakers are also disappointing; you'll definitely want to experiment with different sound equalizers. On Fedora, I'm using this Advanced Auto Gain preset[1] with PipeWire/EasyEffects.

[0] https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-alternative-...

[1] https://github.com/JackHack96/EasyEffects-Presets

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by RockRobotRock »

OJFord wrote: post #26
surteen wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but I also can't imagine Apple shipping something that needed a bodge wire soldered in to make it work well. They do a lot more power consumption engineering than most PC companies and they operate on such a large scale that they'd have found out about a battery drain like this much sooner and could fix it in the production process.

Oh, so the first Apple laptop had zero bugs, and nothing has been fixed since?

That's obviously what they said!

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by Waterluvian »

qingcharles wrote: post #7
rubenv wrote: post #4

Really impressive that they provide instructions to solder the old cards up towards the new spec. Fully out of my range of talents, but does show they genuinely care about what they preach.

This really impressed me. Can you imagine Dell or Apple doing this?

Rather different customer bases.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by skeaker »

surteen wrote: post #14
qingcharles wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really impressed me. Can you imagine Dell or Apple doing this?

No, but I also can't imagine Apple shipping something that needed a bodge wire soldered in to make it work well. They do a lot more power consumption engineering than most PC companies and they operate on such a large scale that they'd have found out about a battery drain like this much sooner and could fix it in the production process.

Kind of missing the point, I think the above commenter was noting that they couldn't imagine Apple ever encouraging someone to get intimate with the internals at all. I certainly can't. You might say, "Why would you want to," but it's more about "why not?" I guess that's all a roundabout way to say that Framework is pretty in-touch with the hacker mentality, whereas Apple is too far gone in that respect.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by thebitstick »

I love what the company is doing and I really want to support their business, but I just can't get away from macOS.

Hackintoshes aren't super viable anymore, so I have a pie-in-the-sky hope that there will be a viable general arm64 chip for laptops that one day Framework could adopt for Windows-on-ARM and Linux, and that someone will get macOS working on it.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by zbrozek »

rubenv wrote: post #4

Really impressive that they provide instructions to solder the old cards up towards the new spec. Fully out of my range of talents, but does show they genuinely care about what they preach.

I just placed a preorder for one of the upcoming AMD laptops because the timing is good relative to my needs and I like their corporate ethos.

While I won't need to execute this rework, it doesn't deserve the "very difficult" rating. The biggest hurdle for most people will be the equipment. A microscope makes all the difference in the world for stuff like this, but few folks have them or know where to go to borrow time on one.

By contrast, I just replaced the screen and battery on a Surface Pro. That was definitely very difficult. Mostly because of glue.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by alpaca128 »

surteen wrote: post #14
qingcharles wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really impressed me. Can you imagine Dell or Apple doing this?

No, but I also can't imagine Apple shipping something that needed a bodge wire soldered in to make it work well. They do a lot more power consumption engineering than most PC companies and they operate on such a large scale that they'd have found out about a battery drain like this much sooner and could fix it in the production process.

You mean like when Macbook display cables were too short and disconnected if you opened and closed the lid often enough, and Apple denied there was ever a problem while fixing it a generation later?

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by Dunedan »

schmorptron wrote: post #13
moooo99 wrote: post #12

Framework is killing it and I absolutely love it. I have no need for a laptop right now, but if I ever buy another one, they'll definitely be at the top of my list. The only concern I have is with screen resolution. I'm using a MacBook and the screen resolution is an absolute blessing.

The framework does 2256 x 1504, the 13,3 inch macbook pro does 2560 x 1600. Doesn't seem like that large of a difference, especially at that screen size.

For everybody curious, here is a comparison of the pixel densities:

Framework 13": 200dpi

MacBook Pro 13": 227dpi

MacBook Pro 14": 254dpi

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by colinng »

Neat! An upgradable laptop made with high quality materials!

I know nobody asked for my opinion, but I saw the [Ethernet card](https://frame.work/ca/en/products/ethernet-expansion-card) and was a bit sad. How about something like 3Com XJACK to keep it small and without protrusions when travelling?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XJACK

Or the spring-loaded swivel down port from Lenovo?

https://www.reviewgeek.com/p/uploads/2021/05/c9c310c4.jpg

That said, I’m not their target audience…

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