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Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by pavlov »

acadapter wrote: post #28
checkyoursudo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

V and W were considered two graphic variants of the same letter until about two decades ago. The W sound was lost centuries ago but reintroduced with English words.

Yes. In Finnish and Swedish, the letters V and W traditionally collated together.

In other words, this is a correctly alphabetically ordered list:

  Wasa
  Virtanen
  Wiva
  Viwe
The rule was apparently changed in 2006 in Sweden though (with Finland presumably tagging along).

There’s probably still plenty of SQL installations around using the old collation rules because tables were created before the 2006 change reached database software.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by timonoko »

belorn wrote: post #30
timonoko wrote: post #27

Swedes are cheating as they always do. This sailship has a motor in it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/mXX4YiQ3u455YNni8

The original method is to use many smaller ships to guide and drag the ship to where it need to be whenever the sails are not suitable (that and wait for better weather conditions). If they had used this original method, the sailing boat would had been rescued by those ships.

Yes. But what is the point of this ship if not fully restore the original look-and-feel of the era.

Satellite antenna in the mizzen mast is also an abomination. They should have dirty drawings from France instead of Pornhub.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small boat didn't get rescued onto the Götheborg.

Given the concerns in the article about the size difference possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by marginalia_nu »

acadapter wrote: post #28
checkyoursudo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

V and W were considered two graphic variants of the same letter until about two decades ago. The W sound was lost centuries ago but reintroduced with English words.

It's also noteworthy that in Swedish, w is a double-v not a double-u.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by [deleted] »

timonoko wrote: post #32
belorn wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original method is to use many smaller ships to guide and drag the ship to where it need to be whenever the sails are not suitable (that and wait for better weather conditions). If they had used this original method, the sailing boat would had been rescued by those ships.

Yes. But what is the point of this ship if not fully restore the original look-and-feel of the era. Satellite antenna in the mizzen mast is also an abomination. They should have dirty drawings from France instead of Pornhub.

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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by Mistletoe »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #34
acadapter wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

V and W were considered two graphic variants of the same letter until about two decades ago. The W sound was lost centuries ago but reintroduced with English words.

It's also noteworthy that in Swedish, w is a double-v not a double-u.

Just realized how weird it is we call it double-u when it is a double-v. Language is weird.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by marginalia_nu »

Mistletoe wrote: post #36
marginalia_nu wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also noteworthy that in Swedish, w is a double-v not a double-u.

Just realized how weird it is we call it double-u when it is a double-v. Language is weird.

The history of u, v, double-u and double-v is really convoluted. They're the same letter but also not quite. There are historical reasons that make sense as to why this is.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by somat »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #33

I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small boat didn't get rescued onto the Götheborg. Given the concerns in the article about the size difference possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?

I suspect they were not in immediate danger, the small boats rudder was inoperative, so they had little to no steering control. I suspect mainly poising a navigation hazard for other boats in the area. What they needed, and got was a tow.

The funny thing is, they were grateful for the assistants of the Götheborg, but a bit incredulous that such a large ship would go out of it's way to help them. (they were also worried about the speed at first before learning it was a sailing ship_

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by SapporoChris »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #33

I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small boat didn't get rescued onto the Götheborg. Given the concerns in the article about the size difference possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?

The towing was a fairly simple procedure and they could maintain a safe distance. Transporting crew between ships on the high sea would be a dangerous and complex task. They might not even have the equipment for it.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by wffurr »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #19
prmoustache wrote: post #12

So they have sails on the Götheborg, but aren't actually using them? Basically it is a motorized indiaman. Meh.

It was on the Mediterranean Sea. I am also a sailor and can testify that the Mediterranean Sea is the hardest to sail because of often changing wind direction. I assume that’s why the didn’t use sails while rescuing. I wouldn’t either.

They were in the English Channel. Brittany is in the north of France. The map in the post shows the Channel Islands.

They used the engine for the rescue to minimize time and safely approach the small boat close enough to heave a line.

Doing all that under sail, like the OP seems to think they should, wouldn’t just be extremely difficult, it would be dangerous and profoundly irresponsible.

Modern sailboats (as in since 1900) have auxiliary engines for a reason…

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