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Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by benoit_cotte »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #10

For someone in their 40s, what's the best way to learn to ride a skateboard? I just want to be competent enough to replace a 10 min walk to/from a subway station. I've tried following video instructions. But each time, after 10 mins I felt like I was making zero progress. Perhaps I just need to keep trying and eventually it will click? Or perhaps I should ask one of the neighbourhood kids?

Totally aligned with the answer below. Probably not the best for commuting. But it is true that it opens a whole new world. Both deep and fascinating IMO. I have been thrown in during my childhood, and realised it is a whole part of who I am now. If you want to try it out, we have a friend of us in the Old Skaters Tricks Challenge who started out recently at 36 yo. Being part of the tricks challenge helped him unlock tricks like BS 180 or FS 180, and it made the other guys with often more experience super stoked to witness that. First time landing a new trick is quiet something. Anyway, if you want to get skateboarding a chance, we're here.

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by benoit_cotte »

nullsense wrote: post #8

There was that paper recently where they built a model of tennis players by feeding it recorded tennis matches. I wonder if you could just do the same with skateboarding and use that to figure out the possible parameters under which a trick succeeds or fails, and then also use it to be able to evaluate your own performance and tell you how far off you are and what you need to do different?

I'd be super interested in reading that piece. If you find it again, could you post it here?

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by benoit_cotte »

DANmode wrote: post #16
eternityforest wrote: post #2

I've always been curious about what it's like for other people to watch something like this. Can you watch a dance or a trick or something and feel what it would be like to do it yourself? Do you see this stuff in your head as a sequence of frames? Or a movie? Or do you somehow have access to the whole thing at once like you're thinking in 4 dimensions? When I watch any kind of instructional video for even something…

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3924058/ 2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4826257/ 3. https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/japplphysio... The last one was cool, and new to me.

the last one is a 404

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by gtani »

benoit_cotte wrote: post #32
nullsense wrote: post #8

There was that paper recently where they built a model of tennis players by feeding it recorded tennis matches. I wonder if you could just do the same with skateboarding and use that to figure out the possible parameters under which a trick succeeds or fails, and then also use it to be able to evaluate your own performance and tell you how far off you are and what you need to do different?

I'd be super interested in reading that piece. If you find it again, could you post it here?

Pretty novel approach, well documented

https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-ai-player-strikingly-rea...

https://cs.stanford.edu/~haotianz/research/vid2player/

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by gtani »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #20
gtani wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, I have to admit seeing decent numbers of fractured collarbones and wrists, and the occasional serious trauma among people learning, so first get best helmet you can find and protective gear. You could try a hub driven electric board, supposedly they can be freewheeled without the motor like a heavy passive skateboard to increase your practice time, which musicians and gamers call shed time or seat time

Hmm maybe I'll just walk...

I believe with good brakes and good skills, an electric skateboard is probably safer than riding a bike if you keep lower speeds and learn how to roll instead of just flopping/falling on the ground but a passive skateboard with no brakes is clearly more accident prone.

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by benoit_cotte »

gtani wrote: post #34
benoit_cotte wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be super interested in reading that piece. If you find it again, could you post it here?

Pretty novel approach, well documented https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-ai-player-strikingly-rea... https://cs.stanford.edu/~haotianz/research/vid2player/

Dang, this is so cool. Thanks a lot for the articles!

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by nullsense »

benoit_cotte wrote: post #37
gtani wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty novel approach, well documented https://techxplore.com/news/2020-08-ai-player-strikingly-rea... https://cs.stanford.edu/~haotianz/research/vid2player/

Dang, this is so cool. Thanks a lot for the articles!

I think this one is even more recent

https://research.nvidia.com/labs/toronto-ai/vid2player3d/

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by bravetraveler »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #15
bravetraveler wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only vaguely recall this stage... but I found standing on a board without trucks or wheels fairly helpful! On a relatively firm surface (ie: carpet) this provides some practice for the balancing act. How foot placement and the contours in the board impact things too Similarly, on something with a little more flex (grass), it's a decent way to start trying some flip tricks :) As for rolling around, I think it's…

So perhaps it was a mistake to try to learn to push off without first learning to balance on the board, with both feet, then one foot etc?

Another thought and I can't edit now!

Try to avoid learning to push in the 'mango' style; planted foot on the back of the board.

Like a Dodge Viper, there's a lot of nose - it's hard to steer/keep under control.

Planting your foot near the front of the board is better for keeping control and powering through rough terrain. Near the back, it'll wander/bounce like crazy

There's no one good spot, but roughly on/just behind the front trucks is a good place to plant for pushing

Re: Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress faster?

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Post by Doxin »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #10

For someone in their 40s, what's the best way to learn to ride a skateboard? I just want to be competent enough to replace a 10 min walk to/from a subway station. I've tried following video instructions. But each time, after 10 mins I felt like I was making zero progress. Perhaps I just need to keep trying and eventually it will click? Or perhaps I should ask one of the neighbourhood kids?

So perhaps this is obvious, but for commuting you probably want to use a longboard, not a skateboard. Can't do tricks on a longboard, but other than that it's much easier than a skateboard.
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