The Framework Laptop 13 • Hacker News Board

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by pierat » Wed, May 03, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

mbreese wrote: post #22

goosedragons wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinebook Pro count? There's also some support for the Thinkpad X13s Snapdragon.

Not for me. I mean, it “works” as in it is a functioning computer, but it’s not really useful as a daily driver machine. Mine is very touchy and build quality-wise, it’s not great. It is great for what you pay, don’t get me wrong. And I’m sure some people could use it daily, but between the battery life and sluggish performance, it’s not really in the same conversation as the Framework model here. I think for me the…

I would have loved to be able to rely on Pine products. But they are all garbage-tier unsupported crap.

Their modus operandi is to take reference circuits, splatter on a few peripherals to IO lines, make a case, and call it a day.

Happen to have 2 USB-C ports (ala pinephone pro)? Hope you which one to use cause the other one will fry stuff.

You have a pine SBC? Says it will boot on their micro memory chips instead of mSD? Nah you still need a mSD to pass to the chip.

And they'll wash their hands of any support requests, and blame the open source community for support.

Save yourself the pain, suffering, and lost money. Do not buy Pine anything.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by Bairfhionn » Wed, May 03, 2023, 2:56 PM UTC

KeplerBoy wrote: post #25

Bairfhionn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it means "Don't use an Intel AX201 Wifi Card because that needs an Intel CPU" without mentioning Intel.

That's not true though, is it? Have an AX200 series wifi chip on an AM4 Motherboard, works well.

AX201 only works with intel. AX200 should work in the AMD Framework as well.

Edit: Info from Intel itself https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rtpg » Wed, May 03, 2023, 2:56 PM UTC

jaegrqualm wrote: post #4

Laaas wrote: post #2

I still hope to see a non-x86 version. The less bloat the better.

Is there any reasonable Linux support for a laptop with ARM right now? Asahi and Apple are one thing, but qualcomm's offerings haven't looked enticing at all.

while in theory there are arm things available on various package repos, in practice I've hit a good amount of stuff not packaged yet (in my case, the context was more around people doing stuff via docker M1)

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by Laaas » Wed, May 03, 2023, 2:59 PM UTC

jaegrqualm wrote: post #4

Laaas wrote: post #2

I still hope to see a non-x86 version. The less bloat the better.

Is there any reasonable Linux support for a laptop with ARM right now? Asahi and Apple are one thing, but qualcomm's offerings haven't looked enticing at all.

I'm using the Acer Chromebook Spin 513 with a Qualcomm SC7180 processor as my daily driver and almost everything Just Works except hardware decoding (of videos) and 4k 60Hz display port output.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by ChuckNorris89 » Wed, May 03, 2023, 2:59 PM UTC

jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by TOMDM » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:02 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #35

jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

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Out of date as in their understanding of the tech, not the tech itself.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by tuukkah » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:02 PM UTC

winterqt wrote: post #6

Title should be changed to mention the fact that this is about the Ryzen mainboard.

And what's all new today is that preorders are now open: "Framework Laptop 13 with AMD Ryzen preorderable"

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by TOMDM » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:03 PM UTC

avargas wrote: post #27

jjice wrote: post #17

I've been waiting for this machine for so long, excited to see the actual CPU unveil. I may be out of date, but is the issue with not entering sleep mode properly resolved? That's a huge issue to me. Aside from Framework, does anyone suggest any other existing laptops that keep a fairly slim design while also offering lots of user repairability? I've had an okay experience with my Thinkpad X1 Carbon Gen 3, but she's…

Apparently with the Ryzen processor, the slots are limited: "The Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots. The front left Expansion Card slot can handle both USB 3.2 and DisplayPort Alt Mode, while the front right Expansion Card can use USB 3.2. This does mean there is one Expansion Card slot that can't support the…

That's pretty rough, one of the great things about the Framework was being able to treat all ports the same.

Is there any explenation on why they couldn't achieve this with AMD's new chips?

I'm sure they would have supported that if they were able to.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by codedokode » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:03 PM UTC

laweijfmvo wrote: post #10

> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need DDR5 SO-DIMMs up to DDR5-5600, along with a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. What's a "Ryzen-compatible" WiFi card?

Probably a card that supports AMD-specific backdoors in Platform Security Processor, AMD's equivalent of IME.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by vladvasiliu » Wed, May 03, 2023, 3:03 PM UTC

laweijfmvo wrote: post #10

> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need DDR5 SO-DIMMs up to DDR5-5600, along with a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. What's a "Ryzen-compatible" WiFi card?

AFAIK there are two cards: the 2X0 and the 2X1.

The 1 only works with (recent enough) Intel CPUs, the 0 works with both. It's my understanding that some things are offloaded to the CPU on the 1 models, which older and non-Intel CPUs don't do.