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Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by t-writescode »

algoatecorn wrote: post #26
markus_zhang wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

If you put diet, exercise, sleep, and social support on a sliding scale, can you honestly say that you're doing everything in your power to maximize each one? I don't know your personal details, but most people who think this way are not actually trying their hardest in each category. Sure, some small percentage is going to face monumental challenges. But look at the data in the US for example. 70% of our deaths are…

> Most of that 70% has enough control of these factors to reap their benefits

And yet they don't, so it suggests to me that "it's not that simple". It's better to imagine that people _are_ doing what they can and it's still not enough, so rather than victim blaming, we can discover what's actually going on in these people's lives that's stopping their ability to reach it.

Are they so downtrodden that it's not worth the effort anymore? Are they actually working 2-3 jobs and 100 hours of unexpected time a week so they literally don't have time? Do they live so far away from work because they can't afford to live close such that all their time is spent commuting and they have no extra time anymore?

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by mtalantikite »

10xDev wrote: post #16
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

You forgot to add good genetics.

"good genetics" (if we can even say that) might help give an edge for elite athletes, but really, for most able bodied people, it's not a factor you should be thinking about when it comes to exercise. Just get out there and use your body, it's amazing.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by algoatecorn »

make3 wrote: post #8

It would be nice if we could find what triggers the body's improved condition when doing exercise, and trigger it maximally without having to do hours of repetitive nonsense. It's fine if you like to do it, but a lot of us obviously don't. I wonder how the progress is going in this sphere.

But exercise yields more benefit than just cancer prevention. Don't you want to maintain strength and mobility as you age? Sleep better? Build mental and physical resilience?

I'll wager that we won't see a substitution for exercise and its benefits. Ever. It's just part of human life, and embracing it is by far the healthiest mindset.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by t-writescode »

landryraccoon wrote: post #27
markus_zhang wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

Good food I can see as a luxury. How is exercise a luxury though? It seems like going for a walk or a run is available to almost everyone. If anything it seems like those on the lower income level would be forced to be outside doing physical activity more than the wealthy.

> would be forced to be outside doing physical activity more

I have no citation, but I believe most low-income jobs in the US involve:

  * standing for long, long hours and not moving (cashiers)
  * sitting for long, long hours and not moving (call centers)

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by borbulon »

lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

I was walking 10+ miles every day when I was diagnosed with Stage 4 Lung Cancer, which means it was growing pretty much the entire time I was exercising. It’s not just Diet, exercise and sleep (and proper eating). Some of it is just plain luck.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by lockhouse »

eikenberry wrote: post #24
ericmay wrote: post #17

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Those help but are completely out of your control.

Hopefully not for long.

Yeah, I can’t wait to live in a real life version of Rapture from the BioShock series. ;-)

I’m looking forward to Incinerate and Telekinesis myself.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #15
markus_zhang wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are luxuries, not mandatories. That's why many people don't get them. They can't. I absolutely can't.

Couldn't agree more. Seems like a lot of people on here think that low-income earners eat off of the McD's dollar menu by choice.

Beans, rice, eggs and oats are cheaper, healthier and quicker than Mcdonalds. (Rice is not quicker). If McDonals were the only choice they wouldn't be spending millions on advertising.

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by Swizec »

ActorNightly wrote: post #21
lockhouse wrote: post #4

Diet, exercise, enough sleep, and a good social support structure are pretty much the keys to good health in general. The fact that we have so many health issues in western society are because its so easy to neglect these things.

Its even simpler. Exercise (specifically, aerobic type) is the main thing you need. A good exercise regime gives you a lot of leeway in the diet aspect especially if you don't overeat (since your caloric burn will be high enough on the regular to not have to deal with issues like too much carbs). It also helps you sleep as you get tired and can fall asleep easier, and reduces stress levels, which is very important in…

Don’t forget all the evidence suggesting adult neurogenesis specifically from running.

As for VO2max, Levitt had a longevity researcher on his podcast who found that a high VO2max (used as a proxy measure) is causally related with higher impacts on 5 year all cause mortality than smoking. In the good direction. As in: being in shape reduces your risk of death more than smoking increases it.

Sauce: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/adding-ten-healthy-years-to...

Re: Exercise increases number of immune cells in cancer patients

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Post by algoatecorn »

t-writescode wrote: post #31
algoatecorn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you put diet, exercise, sleep, and social support on a sliding scale, can you honestly say that you're doing everything in your power to maximize each one? I don't know your personal details, but most people who think this way are not actually trying their hardest in each category. Sure, some small percentage is going to face monumental challenges. But look at the data in the US for example. 70% of our deaths are…

> Most of that 70% has enough control of these factors to reap their benefits And yet they don't, so it suggests to me that "it's not that simple". It's better to imagine that people _are_ doing what they can and it's still not enough, so rather than victim blaming, we can discover what's actually going on in these people's lives that's stopping their ability to reach it. Are they so downtrodden that it's not worth t…

Let's be intellectually honest here.

It's not victim blaming to point out that "can't" isn't reasonable language. Life is hard. Doesn't mean we "can't" have some control over these variables. As I said, there are edge cases that deserve sympathy but they don't represent the bulk of scenarios.

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