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Chatbots are not the future

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Re: Chatbots are not the future

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Quality quote: "There's an ongoing trend pushing towards continuous consumption of shorter, mind-melting content. Have a few minutes? Stare at people putting on makeup on TikTok. Winding down for sleep? A perfect time to doomscroll 180-character hot takes on Twitter."

140 chars, he means. *280 chars, he means. *4000 chars, he means. *10000 chars, he means.

*she

Re: Chatbots are not the future

#33
post #5

> Good tools make it clear how they should be used. This is such a weird statement from someone in the tech space. Programming languages rarely have an opinion for how they are to be used (for example JS MUST only run the browser or which code style to use). When I chat with customer support, I wish they could meet me where I am instead of me needing to learn their tools. For example, I want to say "cancel my subscri…

> Programming languages rarely have an opinion for how they are to be used

Erm, they absolutely have an opinion. That's why I can't just write however I like in whatever language. I need to stick to the designer's opinions on syntax and semantics otherwise it won't work.

Re: Chatbots are not the future

#34
post #15

> When I go up the mountain to ask the ChatGPT oracle a question, I am met with a blank face. What does this oracle know? I think if your attitude is that its an oracle, then you already have the wrong attitude for using the tool. Chatgpt is a tool, if you dont know how to use the tool, stop complaining that you don't like it. Imagine telling everyone scalpels are horrible tools because they tried to perform surgery…

> Chatgpt is a tool

When you use a hammer or a drill, do you expect it to sometimes not hit/screw the nail?

If ChatGPT is a tool for knowledge transfer/extraction, it can't hallucinate/lie to you/be wrong/make stuff up.

If it's a tool for potentially discovering some knowledge that may be true and needs to almost always be verified by either a compiler or a followup "find me a reference/discussion" Google search to make sure it's accurate, then sure. But I don't think that's what it's primarily being advertised as.

Re: Chatbots are not the future

#35
post #3

Yeah, chat isn’t a universally great interface. But it’s a great default because it’s totally free form. It should be pretty easy (even with today’s APIs and technology) to have an LLM design a user interface for you for your current task. Simplest way: output a JSON of simple control definitions with every answer. Coolest way: Just have it generate a full-ass React front end or whatever on every message.

Interesting. Futuristic idea: on-the-fly generate a front-end customized to the user learned preferences. Motivation: humans are poor learners, so save them the trouble to learn a new interface style. At the limit, real-time generate a whole world-in-the-world, fulfill Zuckerberg's dream -- an utterly lonely Matrix. Now that's a thinly sugar-coated version of the Hell described in e.g. Catholic doctrine. And we will…

We are very good learners. That’s how we got this far. Not all new interface is good and worth learning. Sometimes it feels best to stick with what works.

Re: Chatbots are not the future

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing artists are going to go away, just that story telling is going to become a lot easier. it also doesn't mean the content produced is necessarily painted with 'broad strokes' and absolutely doesn't mean its soulless. It means the barriers to entry for producing stories just came down a whole lot - akin to the printing press did for books.

But is the person using the tool an artist? I think this is an important question. If I give detailed instructions to a human ghost writer about a story I want them to write, I don't think anyone would say that I wrote the story. It was written by the ghost writer. If a piece of art is made by a computer based on detailed instructions, that art was made by a computer, not a person. If you are in the camp that you don…

> If a piece of art is made by a computer based on detailed instructions, that art was made by a computer, not a person.

Tell that to music producers and digital artists. They don’t know what detailed instructions are run by the cpu of the device they use, and yet it is still art and they are still artists.

Re: Chatbots are not the future

#37
post #27

> Text inputs have no affordances It has all the affordances. You can turn it into anything you want. Want it respond with json, check, it can do that. Turn a wall of text into a Python data structures, check, it can do that too. You can take your LLM text interface and put what ever api you want on top. You start with clay and mold it into anything you need. You construct a parser so that the way data is already con…

I thought this was a funny statement too. Text is the most powerful, original medium. It's difficult to overstate how powerful and valuable it is. Of course, text won't necessarily be the only UI exposed for interacting with these "Large Language Models." But that UI can be built on top of the text -- which wouldn't work in the other direction.

Re: Chatbots are not the future

#39
post #15

> When I go up the mountain to ask the ChatGPT oracle a question, I am met with a blank face. What does this oracle know? I think if your attitude is that its an oracle, then you already have the wrong attitude for using the tool. Chatgpt is a tool, if you dont know how to use the tool, stop complaining that you don't like it. Imagine telling everyone scalpels are horrible tools because they tried to perform surgery…

> Chatgpt is a tool, if you dont know how to use the tool, stop complaining that you don't like it.

It's a tool that can be opaquely configured to be used in a million different ways, and when using it does not bring about the desired result, its acolytes sneer, and suggest that you're using it wrong.

It's like a multi-tool, that only works when you're blindfolded. Sure, it can be used to hammer nails and tighten screws and strip wires and measure a tire's pressure, but it makes it quite difficult to find the magical incantation that will apply the right end to the job.

(And most of the time, it quietly leaves the screw untightened, the wire clipped, and the tire with a hole in it. It's the user who's wrong, of course.)

Re: Chatbots are not the future

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post #26
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not arguing artists are going to go away, just that story telling is going to become a lot easier. it also doesn't mean the content produced is necessarily painted with 'broad strokes' and absolutely doesn't mean its soulless. It means the barriers to entry for producing stories just came down a whole lot - akin to the printing press did for books.

But is the person using the tool an artist? I think this is an important question. If I give detailed instructions to a human ghost writer about a story I want them to write, I don't think anyone would say that I wrote the story. It was written by the ghost writer. If a piece of art is made by a computer based on detailed instructions, that art was made by a computer, not a person. If you are in the camp that you don…

Yes, the artist that chooses to use AI-tools to generate art-work are in fact artist.

For those who are afraid of AI being content generators that puts artist out of work will most likely be disappointed. However the technical gatekeeping some artist do goes away, and it makes room for more people being able to express them self creatively.

Art is about the why. We as humans will always ask that question, and we will produce answers, no matter the tools.

We've gone through multiple iterations of technology questioning if you are really an "artist" for using it, but the new creations and the new generation of artist puts that to shame in my opinion.

Digital pixels are not paint brushes. So if you do not move your mouse/brush to generate a stroke? What does it matter?

AI-tools speeds up the creative process which for some will let them go places we currently are having a hard time to imagine.

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