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Meta plans $7B bond issue

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Re: Meta plans $7B bond issue

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>I think I'm trying to state: "Aren't the bulk of Meta's offerings too susceptible to trends to garner the trust required for a 40 year bond?" Meta has more cash on hand and revenue than most countries . They are an institution unto themselves at this point, regardless of the future success of any individual product.

So why do they need to raise more funds?

Might be cheaper to borrow than turn some cash equivalent into cash or move it where they need it.

Re: Meta plans $7B bond issue

#32

If meta needs to lay off tens of thousands of people to make their financials look good enough to appeal to investors, that suggests to a layman like me that they weren't turning enough profit per employee to justify the things those people are working on. This comes, notably, after raising $10B last year before the layoffs. So besides stock buybacks, what does it actually mean "to build a more traditional balance sh…

Compare to Apple who has been crazy profitable but who opted to pile up a cash hoard. Meta and Google and some others saw every spare billion as an opportunity to hire another moonshot team to build AI/VR robot cars. All that stuff was funded by their main businesses. Now they are basically giving up. Stick to their core businesses and just keep the cash.

Re: Meta plans $7B bond issue

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think I'm trying to state: "Aren't the bulk of Meta's offerings too susceptible to trends to garner the trust required for a 40 year bond?" Meta has more cash on hand and revenue than most countries . They are an institution unto themselves at this point, regardless of the future success of any individual product.

So why do they need to raise more funds?

Need to or want to?

Offering a bond and using it for buybacks is a way for shareholders to make future profits today.

Re: Meta plans $7B bond issue

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If meta needs to lay off tens of thousands of people to make their financials look good enough to appeal to investors, that suggests to a layman like me that they weren't turning enough profit per employee to justify the things those people are working on. This comes, notably, after raising $10B last year before the layoffs. So besides stock buybacks, what does it actually mean "to build a more traditional balance sh…

Layoffs may not be applied equally though. When you get into big company spaces, they tend to be closer to an amalgamation of a bunch of smaller companies / empires. So layoffs may target business units that are not performing as well as the average, or the bet isn't working out. On the flip side though, there might be other units that require very different skills and experience that the investment in is getting doubled down.

And for raising debt, a factor is it's usually much easier and cheaper to raise debt when you don't need to. This one applies to startups as well, you're in pretty bad shape if you're low on money and need to raise capital. So if the conditions are right, it's worth it to raise now if the conditions are right, even if you're not going to start torching it for a couple of years.

Re: Meta plans $7B bond issue

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I know there are already lots of questions to this effect, but if anyone can point to a good blog post that outlines "Why massively profitable companies with huge amounts of cash sell lots of bonds", I'd love to see it!

I can understand when interest rates are low as part of a "might as well get more money when it's nearly free" mindset, but as that's no longer the case, I don't understand the rationale behind this.

Re: Meta plans $7B bond issue

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If meta needs to lay off tens of thousands of people to make their financials look good enough to appeal to investors, that suggests to a layman like me that they weren't turning enough profit per employee to justify the things those people are working on. This comes, notably, after raising $10B last year before the layoffs. So besides stock buybacks, what does it actually mean "to build a more traditional balance sh…

> Layoffs mean they're doing less This isn't true, it means they had fat to trim. People that were under performing or working on nothing. There was a hiring arms race the last several years and everyone over hired fearing other companies would get talent first. The industry at most of the notable tech companies was bloated.

They are not exactly trimming 'fat'. This latest round had numerous people who were getting high marks and even AE. There is some meme going around that this was a performance based layoff and it absolutely was not.

Re: Meta plans $7B bond issue

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I know there are already lots of questions to this effect, but if anyone can point to a good blog post that outlines "Why massively profitable companies with huge amounts of cash sell lots of bonds", I'd love to see it! I can understand when interest rates are low as part of a "might as well get more money when it's nearly free" mindset, but as that's no longer the case, I don't understand the rationale behind this.

interest tax shield it's beneficial for companies to raise debt and pay interest
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