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Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Nothing about the Nostr protocol struck me as particularly interesting. Spam control, moderation and anonymity are not really dealt with. Why the hype?

All these projects don't understand that it's not the principle of free communication or the idea of sharing content that made networks like twitter and facebook so successful. It was an army of engineers and designers working closely together with marketing people and even psychologists to maximise user engagement and retention. Heck, you could just endlessly recycle the same algorithmic content mixed with camouflag…

What makes you think their goal is succeeding on the broader scale, though?

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

#32

On the last HN thread about Nostr I've mentioned Bluesky, and talked about its qualities, including the separation of various duties, like the feed, moderation, storage, etc. into different entities that can be pluggable. Since that I got an invite (thank you, Sam!) and I'm even more bullish now (though I'm not much of a social media poster myself). Compared to Nostr it seems like there's a first-party "base" app tha…

Download amethyst on Android or Damus on IOS. You're onboarded. Set up a lightning wallet to receive tips for valuable content. No wait list for this decentralized protocol. No native app, no dev team, no terms of service.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

#34

On the last HN thread about Nostr I've mentioned Bluesky, and talked about its qualities, including the separation of various duties, like the feed, moderation, storage, etc. into different entities that can be pluggable. Since that I got an invite (thank you, Sam!) and I'm even more bullish now (though I'm not much of a social media poster myself). Compared to Nostr it seems like there's a first-party "base" app tha…

I'm curious what part is daunting to you? I have no issues getting set up on Damus. It was as easy as any other app.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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Nostr user here, absolutely love everything I am seeing. I think Nostr is deeply misunderstood by onlookers and I'd like to share a few things that may help clear things up: 1. Nostr is not a social network - it's a protocol on top of many social networks can be built. 2. Nostr is not limited to the social use cases - and I think that is the killer advantage here. With Nostr, you can integrate various other types of…

> Nostr is a discovery powerhouse that enables content to be easily discovered across platforms without gatekeeping. For creators this is great news because they can just publish in one place and be in all (willingly) participating clients/apps. Beyond the marketing barf, what makes this a "discovery powerhouse"? From the description, it doesn't sound any different from Mastodon, or having an email newsletter, or pub…

Network effects. Every new app that joins grows the network without the content creator having to do anything new.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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post #15

Nostr user here, absolutely love everything I am seeing. I think Nostr is deeply misunderstood by onlookers and I'd like to share a few things that may help clear things up: 1. Nostr is not a social network - it's a protocol on top of many social networks can be built. 2. Nostr is not limited to the social use cases - and I think that is the killer advantage here. With Nostr, you can integrate various other types of…

That's a huge benefit over social media projects like Mastodon, which lack discovery features entirely.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

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post #15

Nostr user here, absolutely love everything I am seeing. I think Nostr is deeply misunderstood by onlookers and I'd like to share a few things that may help clear things up: 1. Nostr is not a social network - it's a protocol on top of many social networks can be built. 2. Nostr is not limited to the social use cases - and I think that is the killer advantage here. With Nostr, you can integrate various other types of…

"1. Nostr is not a social network." Someone should really change the marketing CTA. "A decentralized social network with a chance of working" I can see why people would think this.

That's the beautiful part about Nostr, anyone can create a website and "sell" it any way they like.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

#38

Nothing about the Nostr protocol struck me as particularly interesting. Spam control, moderation and anonymity are not really dealt with. Why the hype?

All these projects don't understand that it's not the principle of free communication or the idea of sharing content that made networks like twitter and facebook so successful. It was an army of engineers and designers working closely together with marketing people and even psychologists to maximise user engagement and retention. Heck, you could just endlessly recycle the same algorithmic content mixed with camouflag…

I think at least some number of people will grow burnt out on addictiveness and want something else. While it may not replace addictive social media there's still potentially substantial value there, which to me seems similar the internet pre Facebook.

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

#39

Nothing about the Nostr protocol struck me as particularly interesting. Spam control, moderation and anonymity are not really dealt with. Why the hype?

> anonymity are not really dealt with Why would you need to deal with anonymity?

Does Nostr have any mechanisms to ensure anonymity, or can the relay log everything?

Re: Nostr – Decentralized social network

#40

Nothing about the Nostr protocol struck me as particularly interesting. Spam control, moderation and anonymity are not really dealt with. Why the hype?

All these projects don't understand that it's not the principle of free communication or the idea of sharing content that made networks like twitter and facebook so successful. It was an army of engineers and designers working closely together with marketing people and even psychologists to maximise user engagement and retention. Heck, you could just endlessly recycle the same algorithmic content mixed with camouflag…

We'll see, I guess. This feels like an attempt to apply lessons of what happened yesterday to today. It feels like assuming success only has one mold. And it resists acknowledging how much people hate the thing we have, how many people consider it toxic and damaging.

I think people just need to be lead to greener pastures. Right now the alpha geeks aren't cooler & better, don't have great & obvious advantages for being out on the frontier trying cool shit. The Tim O'Reilly "Follow The Alpha Geeks" advice is rarely wrong, in my view, for the alpha geeks mostly want to expand capabilities & power & enable, in ways most consumer efforts are too bounded & limited to go for, but we keep forgetting this wisdom's words anyways.

Once the alpha geeks are unqualifiedly better than the mundane normy-nets, the tables will start to turn. I think the geeks are doing the good work, are putting in the right effort.

Dogfood your way to success. Do what empassions & excites you. Don't worry about l-users. Focus on being really good & powerful. You'll be out competed if you do what sigmoid10 says & compete to be the lowest common denominator of social networking, and your product will suck as bad as everything else we have.

Truly good works market themselves. Places where genuine authentic people (and creative fun bots) mix & share themselves in are what we are searching for, is the authenticity that the engagement-loop corporate networks break & burry. There's different races here. I do think the broader we are searching for better more open pattern en mass to replace the walled garden networks (a challenge many distributeers reject), but the path to victory is assymetric competition, is tapping into different sources of value & raising it up in different ways.

Do you believe in humanity? Or do you think synthetic gloss shit forever & ever will always win?

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