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Texas Jury Strikes Down Patent Trolls’ Claim To Own the Interactive Web

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> The dueling teams of lawyers have spent millions creating elaborate presentations Did the lawyers spend millions, or did they bill millions?

Probably spent millions in getting expert testimonials. Those aren't cheap. Of course they turned around to bill the clients for the work with cost plus.

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Well I'm glad to see the end of that. Its quite possible some courts (judges/juries) would not have grasped the true ramifications of this claim and may have opened a can of worms.

While I agree with you that I am glad this has basically died because I too was worried about what would happen:

It is not in the jury's remit to "grasp the true ramifications of this claim". They have to judge it based solely on the merits of the case and the law being applied.

If Eolas had a valid case then they should be paid, even if it means problems with companies that are "too big to fail" and the rest of us.

Re: Texas Jury Strikes Down Patent Trolls’ Claim To Own the Interactive Web

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> Apple, Argosy Publishing, Blockbuster, Citigroup, eBay, Frito-Lay, JP Morgan Chase, New Frontier Media, Office Depot, Perot Systems, Playboy Enterprises International, Rent-A-Center, Sun Microsystems (bought by Oracle while this litigation was underway), and Texas Instruments.

^^ The list of companies who settled with Eloas before the patent was ruled invalid.

A part of me wishes companies had a legal obligation to fight patent claims they believed to be invalid. Settling hurts us all.

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> Apple, Argosy Publishing, Blockbuster, Citigroup, eBay, Frito-Lay, JP Morgan Chase, New Frontier Media, Office Depot, Perot Systems, Playboy Enterprises International, Rent-A-Center, Sun Microsystems (bought by Oracle while this litigation was underway), and Texas Instruments. ^^ The list of companies who settled with Eloas before the patent was ruled invalid. A part of me wishes companies had a legal obligation to…

then an agreement that the patent is valid would simply be included in the settlement.

Re: Texas Jury Strikes Down Patent Trolls’ Claim To Own the Interactive Web

#35
Here's a list of at least some of the companies that fought the patent:

Google, Amazon, Adobe, CDW Corp, JCPenney, Staples and Yahoo. [1]

Well done guys. Long live the fighters!

[1] http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-09/google-amazon-co...

Re: Texas Jury Strikes Down Patent Trolls’ Claim To Own the Interactive Web

#36
Personally, I think it's crazy that some court in Texas even gets a chance at deciding a case with a reach like this.

Heck, they were talking about basically shutting down the web or turning it into yet another "you have to pay big bucks to participate" medium of which we definitely have enough already.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I think being a juror in a patent trial is a hard proposition anywhere. Why do I say that: -The subject matter is likely to be mostly to totally outside of a person's technical depth and factual experience. (Here I try and think if someone asked me to decide some question related to something like advanced particle physics, chemistry, or the tax code). -There is not that much time to figure out what is goin…

agreed, it doesn't seem like it should be a jury trial, but instead should be just a hearing in front of matter experts. What does joe schmoe know about the nuances around patent law? There is a reason there are lawyers who specialize their entire practice just around patent law.

> "What does joe schmoe know about the nuances around patent law?"

Just curious--pretty much neutrally curious--do you feel the same way about medicine? Civil engineering?

"What does joe schmoe know about the nuances around prenatal genetic screening?"

"What does joe schmoe know about the nuances around suspension bridges?"

Re: Texas Jury Strikes Down Patent Trolls’ Claim To Own the Interactive Web

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This is important because this Texas court is not just any court but THE court where most patent law is deliberated. The fact that this was struck down here is a victory. Most of these trolls are shell corps setup by a group of lawyers with no technical council strictly to manipulate the legal system to extort money from tech companies willing to settle than battle it out in court. I hope this starts to slow the onslaught of frivolous lawsuits by wanna be lawyers. We spent Millions last year out of our R&D budget to defend ourselves from this nonsense. They target companies with potential and growth and use models to determine optimal circumstances for settlement. Maybe this will slow the destruction of innovation and American jobs driven by these greedy people. Lawyers wonder why they have a bad rap but yet they don't seem to police their own. Sadness:(

Re: Texas Jury Strikes Down Patent Trolls’ Claim To Own the Interactive Web

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, I think being a juror in a patent trial is a hard proposition anywhere. Why do I say that: -The subject matter is likely to be mostly to totally outside of a person's technical depth and factual experience. (Here I try and think if someone asked me to decide some question related to something like advanced particle physics, chemistry, or the tax code). -There is not that much time to figure out what is goin…

> -The subject matter is likely to be mostly to totally outside of a person's technical depth and factual experience. (Here I try and think if someone asked me to decide some question related to something like advanced particle physics, chemistry, or the tax code). Not just "likely"; anyone who had such experience would get kicked off the jury. Nobody on Hacker News will ever get to serve as a juror on a patent trial…

And yet if someone is "biased" against murder, they will let you be a witness in a murder trial. Love the legal system.
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