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Re: Datomic is Free

#31

Post by miroljub »

martypitt wrote: post #6

Only the binaries are made available, not the source, which is interesting. I guess they don't claim to be open source, they're claiming to be free, which is - in itself - awesome. Last time I checked, you couldn't push binaries to maven central, without also releasing the source. That may have changed.

They say it's under the Apache 2 licence, so it is open source.

EDIT: I was wrong. They actually released binaries under the Apache licence, not the source code. Which is, mildly said, deceptive. I don't even have an idea what that actually means.

Re: Datomic is Free

#32

Post by spapas82 »

It seems that they give the binaries for free but they won't release the source code. Can somebody explain to me what's the point of keeping the source closed in this case? I really can't think of any reason

Re: Datomic is Free

#33

Post by martypitt »

casion wrote: post #27
martypitt wrote: post #6

Only the binaries are made available, not the source, which is interesting. I guess they don't claim to be open source, they're claiming to be free, which is - in itself - awesome. Last time I checked, you couldn't push binaries to maven central, without also releasing the source. That may have changed.

Maven actually has a tutorial on publishing binaries without source. So I assume it's ok when they tell you how to do it.

Sure, Maven makes this possible.

But Maven Central has strict rules around what can be published there. I just double checked and it's a requirement to publish the source as well as the binaries:

https://central.sonatype.org/publish/requirements/#supply-ja...

Re: Datomic is Free

#35

Post by montroser »

NickBusey wrote: post #2

Free as in beer. Not free as in speech. > Is it Open Source? Datomic binaries are provided under the Apache 2 license which grants all the same rights to a work delivered in object form. Datomic will continue to be developed at Nubank, where it is a critical piece of our infrastructure.

So...no, it is not open source. I wish they would just answer that in a straightforward way.

"No, the source is not available, and the product will continue to be developed by us, internally. However, binaries are provided..."

Re: Datomic is Free

#36

Post by martypitt »

miroljub wrote: post #31
martypitt wrote: post #6

Only the binaries are made available, not the source, which is interesting. I guess they don't claim to be open source, they're claiming to be free, which is - in itself - awesome. Last time I checked, you couldn't push binaries to maven central, without also releasing the source. That may have changed.

They say it's under the Apache 2 licence, so it is open source. EDIT: I was wrong. They actually released binaries under the Apache licence, not the source code. Which is, mildly said, deceptive. I don't even have an idea what that actually means.

They say the binaries are being made under Apache 2.

They don't say anything about the source code being published. That's why (to me) this is so interesting. I've never seen binaries released without source code before.

Re: Datomic is Free

#37

Post by a2800276 »

miroljub wrote: post #31
martypitt wrote: post #6

Only the binaries are made available, not the source, which is interesting. I guess they don't claim to be open source, they're claiming to be free, which is - in itself - awesome. Last time I checked, you couldn't push binaries to maven central, without also releasing the source. That may have changed.

They say it's under the Apache 2 licence, so it is open source. EDIT: I was wrong. They actually released binaries under the Apache licence, not the source code. Which is, mildly said, deceptive. I don't even have an idea what that actually means.

They licensed the binary under Apache. It's a publicity stunt.

Re: Datomic is Free

#38

Post by [deleted] »

miroljub wrote: post #31
martypitt wrote: post #6

Only the binaries are made available, not the source, which is interesting. I guess they don't claim to be open source, they're claiming to be free, which is - in itself - awesome. Last time I checked, you couldn't push binaries to maven central, without also releasing the source. That may have changed.

They say it's under the Apache 2 licence, so it is open source. EDIT: I was wrong. They actually released binaries under the Apache licence, not the source code. Which is, mildly said, deceptive. I don't even have an idea what that actually means.

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Re: Datomic is Free

#39

Post by frou_dh »

lib-dev wrote: post #24
hombre_fatal wrote: post #14

Aside, I remember HN in 2009 or so where Clojure was a daily homepage staple and Rich Hickey was putting out his talks about Clojure and code design. I watched a lot of that and used Clojure fulltime for five years. Wonder what he's up to these days.

Those talks inspired far more than Clojure itself. It sort of started this movement toward simplicity as a value.

If that's the case then all the people running around praising the ""simplicity"" of golang got the wrong end of the stick completely from Rich's classic presentations.

Re: Datomic is Free

#40

Post by harperlee »

spapas82 wrote: post #32

It seems that they give the binaries for free but they won't release the source code. Can somebody explain to me what's the point of keeping the source closed in this case? I really can't think of any reason

Perhaps security by obscurity, it being now a proprietary component of a bank?
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