Live data from Hacker News

Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

ammarmian.substack.com

31–40 of 42 posts

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#31
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inventing contrived words to obscure reality is a form of lying to yourself and others. Normal means typical, "like others". It doesn't mean good, because in a hospital ward it's normal to be sick.

Allistic seems pretty useful here actually (first time encountering the word). “Normal” doesn’t describe along which dimension the person is typical. Allistic specifies the relevant one.

What's wrong with just saying "not autistic"?

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#33
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allistic seems pretty useful here actually (first time encountering the word). “Normal” doesn’t describe along which dimension the person is typical. Allistic specifies the relevant one.

What's wrong with just saying "not autistic"?

Nothing IMO! Languages are pretty good at generating words that are useful and pruning ones that are not, so this will either survive or not survive regardless of the meta-commentary.

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#34
post #14

Your title really sounds more like "I still haven't figured out what I should do with my life: Why I find it hard to sincerely debate what I think my values and aspirations should be". That's ok. Life is not an exam and you're not being graded. Not unless you consent to be, and certainly not against other people's criteria, figure out your own. When you say "performative" and "vicarious", sounds like you're afraid to…

I came here to make this comment. Thank you for writing it so well.

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#35

Are people really still stuck on the whole self-help thing in 2023? Striving for continuous improvement can be a horrible treadmill that just keeps you sad because you are never good enough. It's a repackaging of your own awful stubbornness sold back to you. Inevitably you will have to stop self-flagellating and ruminating endlessly or you'll never be able to enjoy your life. Mistakes are not proof that you need to i…

Well said.

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#36
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allistic? You mean "normal"? They can reflect others in their mind and see how their words change those reflections. Some take it too far and their inner world is a room with mirrored walls: they see many reflections of reflections, distorted by warped mirrors and they make their speech look straight in those reflections. The result is a tall pile of lies. Autists, on the other hand, have a brick wall in place of the…

Pretty sure terms like ‘allistic’ are specifically intended to avoid using terms like ‘normal’ when it comes to historically oppressed / minority groups. That’s why it’s not “trans” and “normal” - it’s “trans” and “cis” Also what does ‘normal’ mean? If you use ‘allistic’ then you make it explicit that you’re addressing something opposed to ‘autistic.’

Saying “allistic” is a way to market alienation to normal people. I am not buying it.

I am not a normal person in a number of ways. That’s okay with me. A reasonable abnormal person is not offended by that. I am normal in other ways, though.

Look, we have to get along with each other in this human world. Universalizing marginalization through obsessively specific labeling is a failing strategy, because the majority isn’t fooled for long. Normal knows what is normal.

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#37
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure terms like ‘allistic’ are specifically intended to avoid using terms like ‘normal’ when it comes to historically oppressed / minority groups. That’s why it’s not “trans” and “normal” - it’s “trans” and “cis” Also what does ‘normal’ mean? If you use ‘allistic’ then you make it explicit that you’re addressing something opposed to ‘autistic.’

Inventing contrived words to obscure reality is a form of lying to yourself and others. Normal means typical, "like others". It doesn't mean good, because in a hospital ward it's normal to be sick.

… what? Specific terminology doesn’t obscure reality, it clarifies it.

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#38
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allistic seems pretty useful here actually (first time encountering the word). “Normal” doesn’t describe along which dimension the person is typical. Allistic specifies the relevant one.

What's wrong with just saying "not autistic"?

Are you familiar with the concept of ‘markedness?’

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markedness

Terms like ‘allistic’ counteract the unmarked norm - we have a special word for ‘autistic’ but we don’t say anything about ‘not autistic’ because it’s ‘normal’ - see how that has a judgmental angle?

It’s hard to examine a thing critically when it’s just called ‘normal,’ if it’s called anything at all. It’s much better to be precise in your speech when you’re addressing such deeply entrenched social practices.

It’s far too easy to slip into the “but this is just normal, why do we even need to think about it, let alone make up a word for it” trap and become complacent.

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#39
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with just saying "not autistic"?

Are you familiar with the concept of ‘markedness?’ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markedness Terms like ‘allistic’ counteract the unmarked norm - we have a special word for ‘autistic’ but we don’t say anything about ‘not autistic’ because it’s ‘normal’ - see how that has a judgmental angle? It’s hard to examine a thing critically when it’s just called ‘normal,’ if it’s called anything at all. It’s much better to be…

Autists are called this way because they are out. What's the origin of the word "allist"?

The idea that we should warp minds to appease someone's feelings is fashionable today, but it's wrong. Feelings and emotions are servants of the mind, and the mind should be a servant of truth.

Re: Why it’s so hard to say what you mean

#40
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you familiar with the concept of ‘markedness?’ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markedness Terms like ‘allistic’ counteract the unmarked norm - we have a special word for ‘autistic’ but we don’t say anything about ‘not autistic’ because it’s ‘normal’ - see how that has a judgmental angle? It’s hard to examine a thing critically when it’s just called ‘normal,’ if it’s called anything at all. It’s much better to be…

Autists are called this way because they are out. What's the origin of the word "allist"? The idea that we should warp minds to appease someone's feelings is fashionable today, but it's wrong. Feelings and emotions are servants of the mind, and the mind should be a servant of truth.

That's a losing social strategy. It always has been. It always will be. People don't remember what you say to them, people remember how you make them feel. Show people that you care by taking their feelings into account when choosing how you act, and how you speak, and they will respond in kind.
Post reply on HN