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Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by xena »

xena wrote: post #22
morley wrote: post #13

I see a lot of love for Tailscale, but I'm curious what people use Tailscale for? Is it mostly to access services running on an internal network? Do you use it for work or for fun? The use case I can see is streaming from my personal Plex server from anywhere outside my home, but maybe I'm not thinking big enough.

Tailscalar here. One of the main things I use Tailscale for is accessing my development box from anywhere in the world. I can't really develop on Windows so I'm used to ssh-ing into a NixOS machine that runs all my compilers. Tailscale makes accessing it so easy that I can just leave hundreds of emacs buffers open in various tmux panes and reconnect back when I want to do development again. I also run some internal s…

Now that I think about it, there's also some other things I use it for. I embedded the Tailscale API into my VM manager waifud (https://github.com/Xe/waifud) so that I can pass a `--join-tailnet` flag to `waifuctl create` and plunk new virtual machines onto my tailnet with Tailscale SSH enabled. It makes testing things on arbitrary versions of Ubuntu so easy that it feels like I'm cheating.

My hypervisors are also subnet routers so my VMs can connect to eachother like they're on the same network. All the fun of static routing without any of the "fun" of static routing!

There is so much more you can use it for though: - https://tailscale.dev/blog/funnel-101 - https://tailscale.com/blog/tsnet-virtual-private-services/ - https://tailscale.com/kb/1137/minecraft/

The cloud's the limit!

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by thelittleone »

hjuutilainen wrote: post #3

I just got an email about this and here’s what they say: > Your plan is unaffected and you can continue to use the Personal Pro plan as you normally do. However, Tailscale's new Free plan includes nearly everything that Tailscale has to offer for up to 3 users on a custom domain and 100 devices. This plan may be more aligned with how you use Tailscale. Go to the Billing page in the admin console to review your option…

Amazing. Was just discussing this with a friend yesterday as a way to build loyalty. I have so many subscriptions I pay for but rarely if ever use (often forgotten). How refreshing it would be to receive an email to the effect "hey we notice your paying but not using product X. Here's some ideas of how you could use it, otherwise consider downgrading to free plan". May be at odds with short term revenue, but I'd then be a brand advocate.

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by mynameisvlad »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #24
bradfitz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far, the same way it's always worked: you need to BYODomain and sign in with your domain's configured SSO provider. You can't do, say, 3 gmail users.

I’ve always disliked the enforced SSO approach. However, if you did have 3 Gmail users, it’s possible to share Tailscale access across multiple accounts. So in a small setup you could create an account for each user and then effectively connect their Tailscale networks together (I’m not sure if you can route between Tailscale accounts directly but you can at least share hosts on your account with users on another acc…

They also seem to, based on the footnote:

> 4 For historical architectural reasons you cannot currently have more than one user on a “personal” tailnet (such as a gmail.com account). You need either your own domain or a GitHub Organization. Sorry. We will fix this, but not today. Meanwhile, don’t forget that you can use Node Sharing to share devices (including Exit Nodes) across individual tailnets.

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by JAlexoid »

hjuutilainen wrote: post #3

I just got an email about this and here’s what they say: > Your plan is unaffected and you can continue to use the Personal Pro plan as you normally do. However, Tailscale's new Free plan includes nearly everything that Tailscale has to offer for up to 3 users on a custom domain and 100 devices. This plan may be more aligned with how you use Tailscale. Go to the Billing page in the admin console to review your option…

Irony is that you get less features, according to their pricing feature graph...

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by pja »

> For historical architectural reasons you cannot currently have more than one user on a “personal” tailnet (such as a gmail.com account). You need either your own domain or a GitHub Organization. Sorry. We will fix this, but not today. Meanwhile, don’t forget that you can use Node Sharing to share devices (including Exit Nodes) across individual tailnets.

Darn. Looks like I may have to create another tailscale account!

I do wonder whether this restriction will severely limit the number of 3-person free accounts that are created though - I have my own domain, but that probably puts me in a small minority of people, even the kind of nerds who are willing to try out tailscale in their own time? Which in turn might put something of a crimp on the hoped for flow of viral “my friend put me on their tailnet & I discovered how easy it was” signups.

I have been recommending tailscale to absolutely everyone though, so I guess free services work as a marketing tool!?

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by cooljacob204 »

bradfitz wrote: post #12
cooljacob204 wrote: post #8

How does the multiple users work? I don't see an option to invite other users.

So far, the same way it's always worked: you need to BYODomain and sign in with your domain's configured SSO provider. You can't do, say, 3 gmail users.

Ah so not really all that realistic for personal use with multiple users.

Re: Changes to Tailscale Pricing and Plans

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Post by gilbertbw »

I'm a big Tailscale proponent, implementing it at work in early 2020. But for us I'm not sure this is great news. We have a small Tailnet of 5 users, paying $30 for the Team plan. If we went for Starter we'd save $18, but loose a lot of cool things Tailscale has come out with recently that we have been looking at, like user/group level ACLs, ACL Gitops,Tailscale SSH and Tailscale Funnel.

Alternatively we'd pay $36 for (3 free, 2 * $18) for Premium, which doesn't sound too bad. But the cost for each new user would be three times higher than it currently is (and Tailscale our most expensive SAAS product per person).

Or we stick to legacy pricing for now, and live with things like the Subnet Router limit which makes e.g. connecting home VoIP phones to the Tailnet price prohibitive.

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