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Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by Archipelagia » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #28

The last time they came up with a regulation, we got that GDPR awfulness. Made zero impact on anything, just forced me to click multiple buttons before visiting a website.

Yeah, the annoying notifications are the visible part... but as far as I know, GDPR has a pretty serious impact if you're European. It allows you to ask private companies to delete your data, which to me seems like a pretty huge privacy win.

Implementation could definitely be a lot better, but I think it protects Europe from the privacy hellscape that's currently happening in the US.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

numbers_guy wrote: post #24

Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

You're entirely free to move. The reason why there are no ChatGPT competitors of EU origin is the same reason why there is no SpaceX competitor in Europe. And that's not necessarily anything to be ashamed of, it simply means that the USA has the advantage and that once you reach a certain concentration of wealth it tends to lead to further concentrations of wealth. 400 years ago Europe was ascendant, today it is America and 30 years from now it will be China or India. That's just how it goes, and if it makes you feel ashamed realize then that there are no ChatGPT competitors from any other continent.

In a race like this the first mover advantage is very large, and highly driven by available funding, not by the availability of founders (of which Europe has plenty).

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by whiplash451 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:14 PM UTC

numbers_guy wrote: post #24

Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

What are you waiting for to build it?

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

Archipelagia wrote: post #31

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #28

The last time they came up with a regulation, we got that GDPR awfulness. Made zero impact on anything, just forced me to click multiple buttons before visiting a website.

Yeah, the annoying notifications are the visible part... but as far as I know, GDPR has a pretty serious impact if you're European. It allows you to ask private companies to delete your data, which to me seems like a pretty huge privacy win. Implementation could definitely be a lot better, but I think it protects Europe from the privacy hellscape that's currently happening in the US.

The 'annoying notifications' are corporate choices that reflect on the companies that create them, not on the GDPR.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by jacquesm » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #28

The last time they came up with a regulation, we got that GDPR awfulness. Made zero impact on anything, just forced me to click multiple buttons before visiting a website.

The GDPR is anything but awful. For all I care they really clamp down on the next batch of violators, the law definitely has enough provisions to do that.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by whiplash451 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

sjaak wrote: post #29

numbers_guy wrote: post #24

Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

Don't be; look up some of the founders[1] of OpenAI: Ilya Sutskever - born in Russia Wojciech Zaremba - born in Poland Andrej Karpathy - born in Slovakia [1] according to wikipedia

OP wants a company built and HQ’ed in EU, not a beautiful exposition of brain drain

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by rapsey » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

sjaak wrote: post #29

numbers_guy wrote: post #24

Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

Don't be; look up some of the founders[1] of OpenAI: Ilya Sutskever - born in Russia Wojciech Zaremba - born in Poland Andrej Karpathy - born in Slovakia [1] according to wikipedia

That just makes it sadder. European talent and knowledge, monetized by the US. Unfortunately the European economic order is incompatible with this kind of startup. We do not have the capital to fund it, because we do not have public markets as developed.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by numbers_guy » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

sjaak wrote: post #29

numbers_guy wrote: post #24

Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

Don't be; look up some of the founders[1] of OpenAI: Ilya Sutskever - born in Russia Wojciech Zaremba - born in Poland Andrej Karpathy - born in Slovakia [1] according to wikipedia

That makes me feel even more ashamed and disappointed.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by whiplash451 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:20 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #32

numbers_guy wrote: post #24

Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

You're entirely free to move. The reason why there are no ChatGPT competitors of EU origin is the same reason why there is no SpaceX competitor in Europe. And that's not necessarily anything to be ashamed of, it simply means that the USA has the advantage and that once you reach a certain concentration of wealth it tends to lead to further concentrations of wealth. 400 years ago Europe was ascendant, today it is Amer…

EU has all the ingredients to build a competitor. And the first mover’s advantage can be compensated by other things. The reality is that the EU tech community is just shitting their pants to throw their hat into the ring.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Post by numbers_guy » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:21 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #32

numbers_guy wrote: post #24

Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

You're entirely free to move. The reason why there are no ChatGPT competitors of EU origin is the same reason why there is no SpaceX competitor in Europe. And that's not necessarily anything to be ashamed of, it simply means that the USA has the advantage and that once you reach a certain concentration of wealth it tends to lead to further concentrations of wealth. 400 years ago Europe was ascendant, today it is Amer…

Your mentality is too defeatist. Certainly there are some structures in our countries that make it harder to achieve such successes, but nothing says we cannot restructure our countries and improve. It is really partly a lack of will and partly due to bad leadership.