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Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

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Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#31

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So it’s closed source Mastodon?

Mastodon needs to at very least change its terminology if it ever wants to be taken seriously. As funny as it is for people to be "tooting" out whatever happens to be in their head in that very moment no one wants to be known as a "tooter" who "toots" frequently.

That's a good thing, some of the worst cultures on Twitter are based around taking it too seriously...

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#32
post #17

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I would imagine Twitter server admins can also read your private messages if they really wanted to since Twitter doesn't use E2E encryption. Am I unaware of something/Is there a reason to believe differently?

Yes, another reason to move away. Although Elon has also stated that he's tasked Twitter engineers with working on implementing E2E encrypted DMs.

The remaining Twitter engineers break the API every 2 days and are slowly dismantling a functional UI into an incoherent mess that doesn't load most of the time.

I have absolutely no confidence in any e2ee implementation that would be served from twitter.com and trusting Elon or anyone that still claims to speak for Twitter on any security guarantees it offers would be foolish. They also recently broke the API for their "circle tweets" which is supposed to let you create private tweets that only go out to a subset to your followers, and stay private to everyone else, but of course that ended up not working anymore and they ended up in your profile.

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it’s closed source Mastodon?

Mastodon needs to at very least change its terminology if it ever wants to be taken seriously. As funny as it is for people to be "tooting" out whatever happens to be in their head in that very moment no one wants to be known as a "tooter" who "toots" frequently.

Tooting aside (it's a silly enough term as it is) Mastedons never going to go mainstream. It's too convoluted and complicated to explain how it works to someone with a moderate level of skill in IT, let alone your average every day person.

"It's a decentralized social platform where you sign up to individual..."

Yeah they're already asleep. The average person doesn't give a damn about that, and they sure as hell arent about to jump through a poor UI experience and extremely badly worded terminology to sign up to it.

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon needs to at very least change its terminology if it ever wants to be taken seriously. As funny as it is for people to be "tooting" out whatever happens to be in their head in that very moment no one wants to be known as a "tooter" who "toots" frequently.

That's a good thing, some of the worst cultures on Twitter are based around taking it too seriously...

If you just want to communicate with your friends why not use some IM service like Discord or IRC?

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#35
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon needs to at very least change its terminology if it ever wants to be taken seriously. As funny as it is for people to be "tooting" out whatever happens to be in their head in that very moment no one wants to be known as a "tooter" who "toots" frequently.

Tooting aside (it's a silly enough term as it is) Mastedons never going to go mainstream. It's too convoluted and complicated to explain how it works to someone with a moderate level of skill in IT, let alone your average every day person. "It's a decentralized social platform where you sign up to individual..." Yeah they're already asleep. The average person doesn't give a damn about that, and they sure as hell aren…

Let's not kid ourselves. Average person isn't reading anything that is on the sign up page. There exists some magical break point when people start to switch over and after that the sign up page can be blank and people will move there.

It is completely different matter if that point will ever be reached.

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it’s closed source Mastodon?

Mastodon needs to at very least change its terminology if it ever wants to be taken seriously. As funny as it is for people to be "tooting" out whatever happens to be in their head in that very moment no one wants to be known as a "tooter" who "toots" frequently.

This was already changed two years ago: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/16080

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#37
I don’t understand how this is going to take off if no one is going to make money from this.

A server can’t really charge its users. I and most people would probably not pay to help support a server. Twitter works because most people who actually interact on it don’t pay.

And the source of Twitter’s woes is honestly because the company has never been profitable (unlike Facebook, Google and so on which did).

Also, requiring a domain name to have an alias? So this service is just going to be a community of sysadmins and web developers?

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

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post #37

I don’t understand how this is going to take off if no one is going to make money from this. A server can’t really charge its users. I and most people would probably not pay to help support a server. Twitter works because most people who actually interact on it don’t pay. And the source of Twitter’s woes is honestly because the company has never been profitable (unlike Facebook, Google and so on which did). Also, req…

The simplest/best way I could think of is for users to be paid for their messages. You post something insightful, funny, worthy of attention, other users decide to pay you 0.00whatever USD. The problem then becomes that we haven't actually solved micro and nano-transactions in these 30-something years of HTTP over TCP connections [1].

[1] RFC 8905 - The 'payto' URI Scheme for Payments, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8905.html

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

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post #37

I don’t understand how this is going to take off if no one is going to make money from this. A server can’t really charge its users. I and most people would probably not pay to help support a server. Twitter works because most people who actually interact on it don’t pay. And the source of Twitter’s woes is honestly because the company has never been profitable (unlike Facebook, Google and so on which did). Also, req…

> Also, requiring a domain name to have an alias? So this service is just going to be a community of sysadmins and web developers

e.g. mastodon

Re: Blue Sky: Can Twitter be owned by its users?

#40
post #37

I don’t understand how this is going to take off if no one is going to make money from this. A server can’t really charge its users. I and most people would probably not pay to help support a server. Twitter works because most people who actually interact on it don’t pay. And the source of Twitter’s woes is honestly because the company has never been profitable (unlike Facebook, Google and so on which did). Also, req…

> Also, requiring a domain name to have an alias? So this service is just going to be a community of sysadmins and web developers e.g. mastodon

there's no requirement to get your own domain name. when you sign up you automatically get a yourname.bsky.social domain.
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