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Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates (many are already below replacement rates). The rise of AI companions is going to absolutely drop the bottom out of even the most pessimistic birth rate outlooks. It's easy to imagine a future where the majority of all young people give up on trying to establish real relationships and just resort to AI companions for the cheap and easy dopamine.…

Since we're imagining things, we could choose to spend our time imagining good things!

The comic book Marvelman has Marvelwoman invent the ultimate A.I. algorithm to help people find romantic partners.

The latest William Gibson novel has a benevolent A.I. tell people things like

"Your Mom just woke up, I can tell because she's scrolling Twitter. You should give her a call."

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Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates (many are already below replacement rates). The rise of AI companions is going to absolutely drop the bottom out of even the most pessimistic birth rate outlooks. It's easy to imagine a future where the majority of all young people give up on trying to establish real relationships and just resort to AI companions for the cheap and easy dopamine.…

The perennial panic on HN over declining birth rates seems like thinly veiled cover for cultural conservatism.

First off, if we want to bring the birth rate back up, we would probably do well to implement social policies that makes having kids less of a nightmare for everyone but the very rich or very poor: generous paternal leave, some kind of childcare (a creche-like system), better tax credits, good public schools, etc. I understand that well-paid developers might be less attuned to this kind of thing, but as a non-dev professional in a HCOL city with a young baby, I promise you that economic factors are the major reason we will not have another child.

Second, while I understand that the economy is organized around ever-growing populations, it seems like at some point, we'll have to figure out how to deal with declining or flat birthrates. We can't just grow forever, can we? Could the planet really sustain triple or quadruple the current population?

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With the rising number of single young adults, this will just feed the fire. We may eventually end up with a generation that is unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship. On one hand, this is definitely not ideal. But on the other hand, I can't blame them for seeking the easy way. A good relationship requires almost unacceptable sacrifices for a young adult considering the rising…

It seems to me the Boomers were the generation "unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship", hence the rise in divorces and latchkey kids and single-parent homes. Boomers are still getting divorced at a higher rate than other generations. A lot of younger generations may just be trying to avoid the very obvious mistakes their parents and grandparents made when they married the first or second person they dated and then had children as quickly as possible.

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Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates (many are already below replacement rates). The rise of AI companions is going to absolutely drop the bottom out of even the most pessimistic birth rate outlooks. It's easy to imagine a future where the majority of all young people give up on trying to establish real relationships and just resort to AI companions for the cheap and easy dopamine.…

This is simple moral panic backed up by nothing but gut feel.

You might be correct that some people are panicking about this for moral reasons, but I don’t think we can conclude that’s all that is happening here, or that this is a baseless concern.

Taking morals out of this, and instead focusing on human nature along with current trends, it’s not hard to imagine this having a real impact.

I don’t think any of these possible downsides are a foregone conclusion, but neither should we dismiss the unpredictable impact of developments that fundamentally alter the sources of satisfaction for basic human biological drives. We already know that we’ll happily trade the future for short term satisfaction, so when something new comes onto the scene that encourages the proliferation of this behavior, we should bring curiosity, not dismissal.

We’ve already observed similar phenomena in nature [0] (the bottles were eventually redesigned to protect the species), and while this doesn’t prove that humans are as susceptible as beetles, it’s worth considering the nature of unintended consequences.

The term moral panic has started to lose its meaning, and caution about AI should not be conflated with unjustifiable beliefs about culturally controversial pastimes. They are orthogonal and unlike each other, and the nature of the concerns are quite different.

- [0] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1440-6055.1983...

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Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates (many are already below replacement rates). The rise of AI companions is going to absolutely drop the bottom out of even the most pessimistic birth rate outlooks. It's easy to imagine a future where the majority of all young people give up on trying to establish real relationships and just resort to AI companions for the cheap and easy dopamine.…

I can't really relate to this. Since when is dating and having kids about conversations ? If porn didn't sidetrack me getting a kid I'd say chatbots wouldn't even be a factor in the equation.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates Yes, because of housing, healthcare, childcare and education costs spiraling out of control and the difficulty of getting well paying jobs to cover those costs are pushing youngsters to spend their youth and most fertile years hunched behind a desk studying and working to climb the corporate ladder to afford a home bigger than a shoebox in the…

I'm sure they play a role, but I have read that even teenagers are having less sex. I don't think teenagers are thinking about housing and childcare when not pursuing sex.

It may be the case that teenagers are having less sex, however I don’t think we should be too worried about a decrease in birth rates due to unplanned pregnancies.

What matters is planned pregnancies, and to that, housing and childcare absolutely factor into that decision.

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This was the obvious next step to anyone paying attention. I refer to my earlier comment on a recent thread regarding AI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35512567

I'm afraid I don't understand why you're being flagged into oblivion for these comments.

While I don't agree wholly with your take on the situation, the fact remains that there is a situation about which dialogue must be had. In my cohort (M26, 90's kids) the number of young men who have completely eschewed long-term relationships in favor of short-term hookups or other forms of gratification is somewhat alarming.

As (albeit weak) evidence that this is due to the changing roles, expectations, and power (im)balance between men & women, simply look at the sheer volume of 'toxic masculinity' podcasts, social media accounts, and other platforms spouting these jaded worldviews. Men are raising other men up who are saying what they believe to be true but lack the voice to say. The inherent truth of the message is not what is concerning, but rather the rate at which the beliefs are spreading.

As a man who has been happily married for the past 6 years with two kids I love more than life itself, I have very little personal stake in this issue; however the fact remains that this issue is very real and is affecting a large proportion of young men.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is simple moral panic backed up by nothing but gut feel.

Is it? The number of teens that do things like date, have sex, drive, work, or hang out in person/go to parties has already fallen off a cliff thanks to social media.[^1] Who is to say AI won't make that trend even worse? [1]: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340562787_Students%...

Hmm, the issue that I am experiencing is an economic one. It’s expensive to have children.

With that said, dating can be tough too. I worked hard to get my dating skills to the level of being with someone that I want to be with (I’ve met others that tried and failed. It took 3 years of constant rejection, I learned to deal with rejection by necessity).

Also, having a relationship is tough. I had two that lasted both around 4 years. Currently learning non-violent communication to become better at having a healthy fight since that’s where things always went wrong.

The thing is: 50 years ago, you sort of married the first person you had a kid with and did your best to suck it up (that’s what I see around me in The Netherlands anyway). However, nowadays we want our relationships to be much nicer than “make it work, somehow”. I feel we’re more picky. I know I want a relationship that feels fulfilling, I’d rather be alone otherwise. And I think 50 years ago, people were less picky about that.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is simple moral panic backed up by nothing but gut feel.

Is it? The number of teens that do things like date, have sex, drive, work, or hang out in person/go to parties has already fallen off a cliff thanks to social media.[^1] Who is to say AI won't make that trend even worse? [1]: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340562787_Students%...

The term "social media" appears nowhere in that article.

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I remember walking out of the movie Her, by Spike Jonze, thinking it was a nice sensible film, but definitively pushing it in the plausibility sense.

I rewatched it a couple of weeks ago and it felt like a documentary. The movie is 10 years old.

Many of you have probably watched/rewatched it recently, but if you haven’t, I highly recommend it.

The wooden frame on computers, valuing things “written by humans” hit close to home.

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