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Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#31

Post by noirscape »

Rexogamer wrote: post #16
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #13

About 6 months ago, Codeberg removed the repository for the Wikiless project, and IIRC did not offer any explanation to the developer for about 2 weeks. The reason was a Wikimedia Foundation request. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33101301

I would be very surprised if this was the case - the WMF doesn't prohibit alternative front ends in any way, and it doesn't seem to do anything they'd be upset about (unless it allowed people to evade edit blocks, but that seems incredibly doubtful); if anything, surely they'd welcome a project focused on protecting the privacy of its users?

Here's a bit more as to why: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35480811

The project also doesn't actually make clear if it's actually private and not just MITMing it's own users to track them - as has been pointed out on several[0][1] privacy focused browser extensions that haphazardly included Wikiless.

[0]: https://framagit.org/tom79/nitterizeme/-/issues/61#note_1122...

[1]: https://github.com/SimonBrazell/privacy-redirect/issues/232#...

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#32

Post by Azadzadeh »

People don't seem to realize the risk of centralizing on a single provider and solution. Currently, it's like 90% of the FOSS projects are hosted on GitHub. It all seems smooth and all until one day you log in to their platform and find yourself essentially shunned-off from collaborating on FOSS scene [1] .

I'm grateful Codeberg, sourcehut and other alternatives exist.

One nitpick from my experience: Codeberg's static hosting gave me way too much internal server errors (probably because they are underfunded.)

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34817163

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by mort96 »

Entinel wrote: post #19

> Our mission is to support the creation and development of Free Software; therefore we only allow repos licensed under an OSI/FSF-approved license. For more details see Licensing article. However, we sometimes tolerate repositories that aren't perfectly licensed and focus on spreading awareness on the topic of improper FLOSS licensing and its issues. If you aren't doing FOSS software and aren't "tolerated" you aren'…

It's an alternative to GitHub for the FOSS hosting use-case.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#34

Post by mort96 »

noirscape wrote: post #30
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #13

About 6 months ago, Codeberg removed the repository for the Wikiless project, and IIRC did not offer any explanation to the developer for about 2 weeks. The reason was a Wikimedia Foundation request. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33101301

There's more to this - Wikiless was an unmodified passthrough proxy that iirc just unloaded a bunch of regular mediawiki JS because the author thought it constituted a privacy violation/they were afraid that for some reason the WMF was tracking them for malicious purposes[0]. On its own, not harmful. That being said, it ran afoul of the WMFs trademarks and was actively confusing people with regular Mediawiki, which i…

That doesn't really change anything? Taking down a repository with no explanation is unacceptable regardless of context.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#35

Post by jpe90 »

Azadzadeh wrote: post #32

People don't seem to realize the risk of centralizing on a single provider and solution. Currently, it's like 90% of the FOSS projects are hosted on GitHub. It all seems smooth and all until one day you log in to their platform and find yourself essentially shunned-off from collaborating on FOSS scene [1] . I'm grateful Codeberg, sourcehut and other alternatives exist. One nitpick from my experience: Codeberg's stati…

Since you mentioned sourcehut, I’ll point out that their static hosting is excellent. I host my blog on there and have had no issues.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#36

Post by mort96 »

andrewshadura wrote: post #26
RobotToaster wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gitlab is "open-core", not open source.

Open core is a monetisation model, open source is licensing. GitLab is both open core and open source.

Due to the open core monetisation model, a whole lot of GitLab is not open source; "GitLab" can't be said to be open-source, just parts of it. The monetisation model affects the licensing model.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#37

Post by throwawaaarrgh »

Entinel wrote: post #19

> Our mission is to support the creation and development of Free Software; therefore we only allow repos licensed under an OSI/FSF-approved license. For more details see Licensing article. However, we sometimes tolerate repositories that aren't perfectly licensed and focus on spreading awareness on the topic of improper FLOSS licensing and its issues. If you aren't doing FOSS software and aren't "tolerated" you aren'…

It is an alternative, in the same way Vegan food is an alternative to meats.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#38

Post by throwawaaarrgh »

mort96 wrote: post #34
noirscape wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to this - Wikiless was an unmodified passthrough proxy that iirc just unloaded a bunch of regular mediawiki JS because the author thought it constituted a privacy violation/they were afraid that for some reason the WMF was tracking them for malicious purposes[0]. On its own, not harmful. That being said, it ran afoul of the WMFs trademarks and was actively confusing people with regular Mediawiki, which i…

That doesn't really change anything? Taking down a repository with no explanation is unacceptable regardless of context.

It sounds like there was an explanation?

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by noirscape »

mort96 wrote: post #34
noirscape wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to this - Wikiless was an unmodified passthrough proxy that iirc just unloaded a bunch of regular mediawiki JS because the author thought it constituted a privacy violation/they were afraid that for some reason the WMF was tracking them for malicious purposes[0]. On its own, not harmful. That being said, it ran afoul of the WMFs trademarks and was actively confusing people with regular Mediawiki, which i…

That doesn't really change anything? Taking down a repository with no explanation is unacceptable regardless of context.

It does change things. Codeberg responded to orenom's request for explanation on the same day (see the archive link in the first source about people mentioning it was taken down) and further detailed it in the subsequent days. That's decent time to respond with an explanation if you don't have a formalized process to deal with this stuff (which given Codeberg is pretty small, seems likely).

Very few providers will shoulder the risk of being dragged to court to stand in front of you when legal is involved. Most don't have the funding to go the legal route to begin with, so they just comply. "We'll go to court for you" isn't a selling point of Codeberg, which makes it silly to expect it.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

#40

Post by goodrubyist »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #37
Entinel wrote: post #19

> Our mission is to support the creation and development of Free Software; therefore we only allow repos licensed under an OSI/FSF-approved license. For more details see Licensing article. However, we sometimes tolerate repositories that aren't perfectly licensed and focus on spreading awareness on the topic of improper FLOSS licensing and its issues. If you aren't doing FOSS software and aren't "tolerated" you aren'…

It is an alternative, in the same way Vegan food is an alternative to meats.

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