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If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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I know the government has viewed certain companies as "too big to fail," because of the negative financial impact we would experience if they were to do so. I wonder if there needs to be a cultural equivalent, where a repository of digital or physical artifacts is "too big to fail" because of the negative cultural impact their failure would have. In the absence of that, anyone who sees high cultural value to the pres…

Essentially a digital museum?

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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post #4

I know the government has viewed certain companies as "too big to fail," because of the negative financial impact we would experience if they were to do so. I wonder if there needs to be a cultural equivalent, where a repository of digital or physical artifacts is "too big to fail" because of the negative cultural impact their failure would have. In the absence of that, anyone who sees high cultural value to the pres…

With regards to "too big to fail", one side that doesn't get talked about as much is that "too big to fail" banks get more regulatory scrutiny and how much risk they are allowed to take on is regulated.

If the Internet Archive is "too big to fail" then there should be more scrutiny of their actions and the avoidance of risky behavior.

Anybody with any legal sense could have told you that the "National Emergency Library" was a risky move.

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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The internet archive served two distinct but important functions: one as a backup of the web which was important for accountability and history, and the other as a repository for archiving the world's non-web digital information. I personally scanned a whole bunch of ephemera and IA was the obvious place to put it.

Why jeopardize those functions to do something brick and mortar libraries already did better, and legally? Other libraries do virtual lending.

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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ipfs?

ipfs might be a hosting solution, but that's a small part of the challenge. You also have to source the data.

I recently used some online periodical archive access from my local library to find sources about 1940s musicians protesting recorded music...couldn't find anything. Then I tried IA, and boom, they've got it[0] — someone had to source and scan all these.

I recently wanted to revisit some 1980s-era computer games from when I was a kid. Internet Archive. How'd they get there? Someone there pulled them from 5.25" floppies.

A few weeks ago, I remembered 3-2-1 Contact magazine, which I enjoyed as a kid. No problem: IA has source and scanned them.

I could store all the DOS games in the world on my hard drive without noticing the space usage at all, but step one is acquiring copies of them. When it comes to the long tail of obscure 1940s periodicals or 1980s advertisements[0].

[0] https://twitter.com/lkbm/status/1608480435691995137

[1] https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1643781181568327681

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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post #4

I know the government has viewed certain companies as "too big to fail," because of the negative financial impact we would experience if they were to do so. I wonder if there needs to be a cultural equivalent, where a repository of digital or physical artifacts is "too big to fail" because of the negative cultural impact their failure would have. In the absence of that, anyone who sees high cultural value to the pres…

Essentially a digital museum?

A distributed, highly resilient digital museum. The internet archive meets S3 meets BitTorrent. We’re most of the way there, just need improvements around durability, rebalancing around geographies, and the identity and metadata (item inventory) planes.

(no association with IA, just an active contributor)

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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So, how do we create an Internet Archive Archive?

There are people working on this, but "IA preserved as it was when it was killed in 2023" is nowhere near as valuable as IA as it would be in 2033 if it survives. IA is constantly adding new content. ("New" meaning "not-yet-archived stuff from the past century", in addition to up-to-date web snapshots.)

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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post #4

I know the government has viewed certain companies as "too big to fail," because of the negative financial impact we would experience if they were to do so. I wonder if there needs to be a cultural equivalent, where a repository of digital or physical artifacts is "too big to fail" because of the negative cultural impact their failure would have. In the absence of that, anyone who sees high cultural value to the pres…

Culture doesn't pay for lobbying.

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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Ignoring fair use and countries other than the US we see that Copyright in the COnstitution said to promote science and useful arts, works should have protection for a limited time. Shortly after COngress defined "limited" as 14 years plus a renewal for 14. Then it was 28. plus a renewal and after more lobbying it reached today's time of the Authors lifetime plus 70 years. And since Mickey Mouse protection expires next year, we will probably see another extension. How life of the author plus 70 can be considered "limited time" just shows how the courts have trampled our Constitution.

Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed

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The article is extremely misleading. It makes it seem like the 4 publishers are against Internet Archive as a whole, when all they sued for was for the unrestricted publication of copyrighted books during the start of the pandemic.

This is a college newspaper, I’m surprised it made it here. I cut them some slack, they’re still learning.
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