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UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by LoganDark »

realjhol wrote: post #21
bitwize wrote: post #2

I don't know what kind of new scanner technology they have, but I noticed at Louis Armstrong International (MSY) they've dispensed with making you take your shoes off or pull your laptop out to be scanned separately. I hope they keep finding ways around this security theater malarkey.

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> Shoes and liquids are so 2000s. It's 2023, so it's all about masks and vax mandates

What's wrong with COVID vaccine mandates? It sort of stops people from dying.

Sure you can be annoyed at masks (I don't wear one, for instance), but vaccines? You get poked a couple times and you're done. It's basically nothing and doesn't impact your life whatsoever.

(Unless you have some sort of allergy or immune disorder of course.)

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by 0xDEF »

mdrachuk wrote: post #23
meghan_rain wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but to their defense, there have not been 9/11 attacks or anything remotely similar since 9/11... so either it was all fake anyways or the security theater also deters potential low IQ attackers?

There also wasn’t a 9/11 before the 9/11.

There were dozens of terror attacks against air travel in the 80s and 90s. The global post-9/11 "security theater" did make flying in the developing world much safer.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by kieranl »

Scoundreller wrote: post #24
andai wrote: post #19

I recently went through Eindhoven airport in the Netherlands and it blew my mind that I could bring water with me, and the security guy didn't even open my backpack, he just rotated and zoomed around a "hologram" of it in 3D on a computer.

Question is how this differentiates between the fluids inside. Shape means little.

Most x-ray machines use multi spectral detectors that detect 2 or more x-ray wavelengths. This is used for basic material characterization.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by lostlogin »

0xDEF wrote: post #32
mdrachuk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There also wasn’t a 9/11 before the 9/11.

There were dozens of terror attacks against air travel in the 80s and 90s. The global post-9/11 "security theater" did make flying in the developing world much safer.

Really? So that’s attributable to us not carrying bottles of water and to us taking our shoes off?

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by pengaru »

locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

> wars on drugs etc

I don't think we should be equating TSA with DEA and ATF. The latter two are practically military divisions operating domestically, the wars on drugs are unwinnable nebulous things by design to maintain these standing armies ripe for domestic abuse. TSA however does seem to be a security theater jobs program...

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by Grimburger »

0xDEF wrote: post #32
mdrachuk wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There also wasn’t a 9/11 before the 9/11.

There were dozens of terror attacks against air travel in the 80s and 90s. The global post-9/11 "security theater" did make flying in the developing world much safer.

There's been dozens of hijackings since 9/11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#20...

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by rob74 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #25
meghan_rain wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but to their defense, there have not been 9/11 attacks or anything remotely similar since 9/11... so either it was all fake anyways or the security theater also deters potential low IQ attackers?

Securing cockpit doors is what prevents the next 9/11. It was both necessary and sufficient.

Securing cockpit doors contributed to the death of 150 people however: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

> Shortly after reaching cruise altitude and while the captain was out of the cockpit, Lubitz locked the cockpit door and initiated a controlled descent that continued until the aircraft hit a mountainside.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by zidad »

seszett wrote: post #17
danielbln wrote: post #11

One of the few great benefits of going through Ben Gurion Airport in TelAviv is that due to their alternative approach to security (and profiling) noone gives a damn about your liquids. Want to go through the scanner holding a super gulp with a bag full of liquids? Go right ahead.

First rule at Ben Gurion is "don't be Arab" though. So maybe their "alternative approach" works for you, but it does have some downsides.

Or even don't be associated with.

As someone who used to visit the west bank for work I've spent many hours in intimidating interrogation, appropriated laptops, missed flights and most recently 3 days in a horrible prison without access to a shower or fresh clothing, after being denied access to the country for completely nonsense reasons. And the security argument is complete BS most of the time, NGO employees get the same kind of treatment.

The Ben Gurion approach really only works well if the border personnel likes you, A.K.A you're of the right ethnicity, which is not a shining example of how it's done right IMO.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by Grimburger »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #25
meghan_rain wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but to their defense, there have not been 9/11 attacks or anything remotely similar since 9/11... so either it was all fake anyways or the security theater also deters potential low IQ attackers?

Securing cockpit doors is what prevents the next 9/11. It was both necessary and sufficient.

Securing the doors allowed the Germanwings flight 9525 massacre to be carried out and potentially Malaysian Airlines flight 370 too.
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