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Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Not everyone on hn shares that opinion. Ai products are great but not when trained using stolen ip. At the moment there is no way to prevent openai’s products from ripping code or web content and then spitting it out without royalties. And that’s quite an issue.

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In France, an artist owns its art for life, even if it’s sold. So let’s say an artist creates a new style, like Picasso did and an other artist creates art that is really close to Picasso. He will lose in court because of IP. Now an AI does the same thing and suddenly no copyright ? What should be done maybe is explicitly asking for every art generated to ask to pay for it and this money goes for the copyrights. But…

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Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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It doesn't really matter if you can't put the AI back in the bottle so to speak. If (in the USA) it's found that AI generated images (based on copyrighted materials) are not fair use, then effectively it will be poisonous to use in your (USA-based) company. This will definitely prevent it from being mainstream. That being said, nothing is stopping Getty images, for example, from releasing their own image generator, t…

> trained from images they own copyright to

Do they own the right to train-a-model? It's not clear at all. A lot of great photographers don't want their unique style to be multiplied ad infinitum. Copyright is to "copy, distribute, adapt, display, and perform a creative work", and this is not an adaptation

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Fair use would work if we could find an artist for a given generated picture - but we can't. Generate a picture and there is no artist for it closer than the ones who made the pictures in the training set. I really hope these lawyers wont mess that up, it's an easy win.

I believe that a further restriction of fair use to what is produced by a generative AI would also give a lot of tools for large copyright holders (e.g. Disney) for suing and removing fan art for anything that "is in the style of" or "makes use of the same characters" including uses that would previously be considered beneath their notice and thus not worth their time (the amount the lawyers would cost combined with…

"is in the style of" or "makes use of the same characters"

No because in that case you're talking about, there is at least an artist.

There is no artist for a generated picture - closer than the training set.

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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AI is a tool that can be produce copies of work. So is paint. Should we ban paint? Also I doubt your claim is true. There’s no way there’s a copyright claim on “paintings that feel like Picasso style”.

As someone that’s undecided on this whole issue, your particular argument comes across as so tone-deaf that I didn’t think that you genuinely believed it when you wrote it.

Which piece was tone deaf? That AI is a tool? Because it is a tool. Using it to copy a work is a problem with copyright. Using it because it is capable of violating copyright is not.

Or that style is not copyrighted? Because it’s not.

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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It doesn't really matter if you can't put the AI back in the bottle so to speak. If (in the USA) it's found that AI generated images (based on copyrighted materials) are not fair use, then effectively it will be poisonous to use in your (USA-based) company. This will definitely prevent it from being mainstream. That being said, nothing is stopping Getty images, for example, from releasing their own image generator, t…

It just means there will be a Google Books-style settlement where a few major tech companies write big checks to a few major publishers (whose work wasn't even verifiably used in training the models.) The AI models will exist and be ubiquitous on the Internet, you'll just have to pay a small tax to some company in order to use them in commercial work.

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"legal earthquake" Why is everyone talking in apocalyptic terms about AI? A new legal framework will have to be constructed around this, just like with any new technology. Copyright holders will get relief or we don't have a legal system that works. Have we lost faith in our system so much that we think we live in a disaster movie?

Because it's good clickbait-generating content. Much like their picture of Mickey promoting a McDonald's.

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is a tool that can be produce copies of work. So is paint. Should we ban paint? Also I doubt your claim is true. There’s no way there’s a copyright claim on “paintings that feel like Picasso style”.

Yes that’s covered by law https://www.culture.gouv.fr/Thematiques/Arts-plastiques/Comm... > Le droit moral de l’artiste est «perpétuel, inaliénable et imprescriptible». Il est lié à la personne de l’auteur qui ne peut y renoncer ni le céder à autrui > The moral right of the artist is "perpetual, inalienable and imprescriptible". It is linked to the person of the author who can neither renounce it nor transfer it to a…

Nothing you have said implies you cannot copy the style of another artist. Which is obvious. People copy styles all the time.

You don’t want Renoir suing Monet over who owns Impressionism.

That is very different from saying you cannot recreate his specific works.

Or do crappy Pop Art faux copies.

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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It doesn't really matter if you can't put the AI back in the bottle so to speak. If (in the USA) it's found that AI generated images (based on copyrighted materials) are not fair use, then effectively it will be poisonous to use in your (USA-based) company. This will definitely prevent it from being mainstream. That being said, nothing is stopping Getty images, for example, from releasing their own image generator, t…

> trained from images they own copyright to Do they own the right to train-a-model? It's not clear at all. A lot of great photographers don't want their unique style to be multiplied ad infinitum. Copyright is to "copy, distribute, adapt, display, and perform a creative work", and this is not an adaptation

You can't prevent others from using a style though. Which is why there are so many bands that people might remember having their songs appear in car commercials, but it turns out the car company just paid for a sound-alike clone of a band and not the actual band content.

Re: Stable Diffusion copyright lawsuits could be a legal earthquake for AI

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In France, an artist owns its art for life, even if it’s sold. So let’s say an artist creates a new style, like Picasso did and an other artist creates art that is really close to Picasso. He will lose in court because of IP. Now an AI does the same thing and suddenly no copyright ? What should be done maybe is explicitly asking for every art generated to ask to pay for it and this money goes for the copyrights. But…

Artists own the art they created, they don't own the style that they might have invented.
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