At this point it seems like simply cedeing computing to AI and reentering the real world might be the way to go.
Yep. Stick to emailing people you already know, human moderators etc. Ban anyone confirmed to be using AI.
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#32Weird coincidence, I tweeted roghly the same idea two weeks ago:
https://twitter.com/marcfawzi/status/1636115903959158785
Obviously, it's a no-brainer idea at a high level. The devil is in the details.
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#33OpenAi started out as "open", this venture also uses rhetoric that sounds innocent if one is not used to newspeak.
More likely, they want to become the central identity provider for the whole planet and collect as much biometric data as possible.
UBI plans may also start out as UBI, but will degrade soon: "Hey, we know that it is supposed to be unconditional, but we are running into financial difficulties. Would you mind plucking some cotton to shore up your income?"
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#34As I've been reading this (and lobbing remarks in the comments) I've tried to get to the bottom of why this makes me uneasy. I think I've worked it out well enough to express it now.
In biology, the more successful a species is, the more parasites, predators, and pathogens adapt to attack it. This means that over time a species has to change in order to survive, or die off by massive and continued attrition.
Technology, I think, evolves in the same way. It isn't static, it responds to markets, new techniques, and new threats. It can be exploited both technically and socially. And of course, the bigger the target in terms of both users and codebase, the more valuable and vulnerable it becomes.
This is a rough way of saying: I don't believe a world scale system like this could ever marshal enough continuous investment to respond to the enormousness of the capital that will be spent breaking it by criminals, spies, and probably advertisers.
The question of establishing trust in the world has always been hard, even before computers. It is harder now, and the odds are against us.
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#35Note that this is the same Worldcoin that has been going round poor countries scanning people's eyeballs with an orb in exchange for some shady cryptocurrency with the primary objective of making some billionaires richer. See e.g. previous discussions on HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28947468 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28998065 . I thought trying to turn our world into a terrifying dystopia for private profit was scary, but this article trying to sell it as something that is somehow beneficial for humanity is even worse.
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#36Ah, Worldcoin has set up booths at many shopping malls here in Kenya. The first time I saw them a few months ago I was reminded of the "OneCoin" pyramid scam that was big in East Africa a few years ago. https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/20/crypto_ponzi_scheme_c... Worldcoin gives off really similar vibes. The footer of their website reads: > Worldcoin tokens are not intended to be available to people or companies w…
>I really don't get good vibes from this whole thing...
Trust your instincts here. This thing is hardly a democratic technology -- it seems like it's by the Silicon Valley Elite, of the Silicon Valley Elite, for the Silicon Valley Elite.
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#37Their claimed goals and ethics sound pretty compelling. Something along these lines was strongly called for, and if their project ends up serving the general role that they seem to be pursuing, it might serve as an essential element of future society -- either directly or as an early work.
Then it's also great to see that they seem to be pretty open about stuff, [including their hardware](https://worldcoin.org/blog/engineering/opening-orb-look-insi... ).
That said.. it's hard to see terms like "coin", "wallet", "Web3", "NFT", etc., without a bit of concern -- even if, admittedly, such terms might be appropriate and justifiable in this sort of application.
Is there a page that shows their overall economic model, perhaps with flow-charts and such? This is, where are the cash/token/hardware/etc. in-flows and out-flows?
And is there an early-adopter incentive? And if so, is it significant, or is the system designed to be fair to folks whenever they might join?
Asking in part because the classic pyramid-scam thing, where early-adopters end up collecting huge rewards at the expense of late-adopters, seems like a major hallmark of dubious projects. Projects without such asymmetries would seem more credible, both in terms of not being yet another pyramid-scam and long-term viability.
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#39Their claimed goals and ethics sound pretty compelling. Something along these lines was strongly called for, and if their project ends up serving the general role that they seem to be pursuing, it might serve as an essential element of future society -- either directly or as an early work. Then it's also great to see that they seem to be pretty open about stuff, [including their hardware]( https://worldcoin.org/blog/…
> Their claimed goals and ethics sound pretty compelling.
Yet their actual ethics are pretty abysmal. Worldcoin is a known scam. Notably, it’s also by Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...
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#40I'm perfectly happy to let AI run its course and totally destroy reddit, Wikipedia, Google, Twitter, Amazon, Facebook and so on with endless content that everyone can just ignore. Let the humans get back to IRL.