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Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by nomel »

takinola wrote: post #28

Possibly, probably. Technology does not, in itself, create all the advantages. I likely have the same model iPhone as Bezos but his contact list probably includes much more powerful people. Similarly, we could have access to the same AI but he’d be positioned to derive much more leverage from it

As always, knowing what to do with a tool is more important than having the tool in front of you. If the value is in having the tool itself, then it will quickly lose its value, because everyone else will be using it.

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by nomel »

adam_arthur wrote: post #29
smt88 wrote: post #2

AIs are already incredibly expensive. There's no reason to think the current best AIs will be democratized across economic classes. M

You can use chatgpt and many others for free. Doesn’t seem expensive at all actually. I’m sure a super premium category will emerge, but the 80-20 rule likely applies here.

Paid users get priority access, with quotas. Free users get to are often shown a "Sorry, at capacity" type screen, that I suspect will increase through time, suggested by the fact that paid quotas are already shrinking, with ChatGPT4.

I suspect these models will usually have a "free", highly limited, option. It's the perfect bait! (worked for me)

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by codpiece »

Casteil wrote: post #15
thfuran wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be conflating phones and phone numbers. I guess I don't know for certain that is not common to be juggling half a dozen physical phones, but it seems unhelpful and easily avoided.

They'll typically have an IT guy that handles things for the family. They'd be the one to set up call-forwarding and/or another tidy way of handling multiple numbers via one phone. Haven't done it myself but I'm sure there are numerous ways.

It's dead simple: you have a Congressional aide follow you around with pockets stuffed with mobile phones.

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by adam_arthur »

nomel wrote: post #32
adam_arthur wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use chatgpt and many others for free. Doesn’t seem expensive at all actually. I’m sure a super premium category will emerge, but the 80-20 rule likely applies here.

Paid users get priority access, with quotas. Free users get to are often shown a "Sorry, at capacity" type screen, that I suspect will increase through time, suggested by the fact that paid quotas are already shrinking, with ChatGPT4. I suspect these models will usually have a "free", highly limited, option. It's the perfect bait! (worked for me)

Given how easy it is/will be to set up your own AI SaaS chatbot over time, I expect cost to consumer to trend very close to cost to provide the service. Many companies already have offerings with only a few to few dozen employees.

A few hours a year of compute seems a realistic median usage, so you can do the math. But it's not much. Certainly a premium AI that takes longer to process will cost commensurately more. But again, likely 80-20 rule applies. These more advanced AI aren't likely to be orders of magnitudes better than the cheap/common ones.

It will likely also be common to tier usage such that you only employ more expensive/computationally intensive models when needed. GPT-3.5 can already adequately cover a large number of use cases.

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by infamousclyde »

coxomb wrote: post #12

> Today, billionaires and middle-class everyday people use the same phones Don't assume the rich have just one phone. It is common to compartment with several different phones for different purposes. One you only give to family/friends, another for strictly business topics, another for social media, another for giving out publicly on business cards, and the list goes on.

This is the premise of "Two Phones" by Kevin Gates. The lyrics are more or less just paraphrasing this comment.

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by nomel »

adam_arthur wrote: post #34
nomel wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paid users get priority access, with quotas. Free users get to are often shown a "Sorry, at capacity" type screen, that I suspect will increase through time, suggested by the fact that paid quotas are already shrinking, with ChatGPT4. I suspect these models will usually have a "free", highly limited, option. It's the perfect bait! (worked for me)

Given how easy it is/will be to set up your own AI SaaS chatbot over time, I expect cost to consumer to trend very close to cost to provide the service. Many companies already have offerings with only a few to few dozen employees. A few hours a year of compute seems a realistic median usage, so you can do the math. But it's not much. Certainly a premium AI that takes longer to process will cost commensurately more. B…

I don't follow. You will be able to set up a chatbot, but I can't imagine a home grown solution will ever be as useful as a private one, backed by hundreds of millions of dollars in training. They'll be increasingly, and exceedingly, incomparable, as they become more useful/profitable, as more resources are dumped in.

What path do you see that could make open models competitive?

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by ElijahLynn »

One of the reasons OpenAI released ChatGPT when they did was to do the opposite of this, per Sam Altman, co-founder of OpenAI.

source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/on-with-kara-swisher...

Swisher: One of the excuses that tech always uses is you don’t understand it, we need to keep it in the back room. It’s often about competition.

Altman: Well, for us it’s the opposite. I mean, what we’ve said all along — and this is different than what most other AGI efforts have thought — is everybody needs to know about this. AGI should not be built in a secret lab with only the people who are privileged and smart enough to understand it. Part of the reason that we deploy this is, I think, we need the input of the world, and the world needs familiarity with what is in the process of happening, the ability to weigh in, to shape this together. We want that. We need that input, and people deserve it. So I think we’re not the secretive company. We’re quite the opposite. We put the most advanced AI in the world in an API that anybody can use. I don’t think that if we hadn’t started doing that a few years ago, Google or anybody else would be doing it now. They would just be using it secretly to make Google search better.

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by zamnos »

Casteil wrote: post #15
thfuran wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be conflating phones and phone numbers. I guess I don't know for certain that is not common to be juggling half a dozen physical phones, but it seems unhelpful and easily avoided.

They'll typically have an IT guy that handles things for the family. They'd be the one to set up call-forwarding and/or another tidy way of handling multiple numbers via one phone. Haven't done it myself but I'm sure there are numerous ways.

Even a free Google Voice account can manage some of that, but something like DialPad, (Made by the exGoogle engineers that made RingCentral which was bought by Google to make Google Voice) is a paid service that offers more features. If you think of being a celebrity as a business, who's product is that celebrity's name, time, and attention, then it seems obvious they'll have an IT department, a reception desk, a finance department, a social media manager, an assistant to manage their calendar (what's a calendly), etc.

Half a dozen phones's obviously a bit much, but if a phone gets dropped and breaks, the IT person should already have a replacement ready to go, no waiting around being phoneless while someone goes to go to the Apple store.

Re: Will wealthier people access better AIs?

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Post by splatzone »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #37

One of the reasons OpenAI released ChatGPT when they did was to do the opposite of this, per Sam Altman, co-founder of OpenAI. source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/on-with-kara-swisher... Swisher: One of the excuses that tech always uses is you don’t understand it, we need to keep it in the back room. It’s often about competition. Altman: Well, for us it’s the opposite. I mean, what we’ve said all along —…

Interesting. Looked at this way, OpenAI is perhaps less ‘closed’ that I thought, since they’re making LLMs available cheaply to so many people, not just the elite with access to the computing power.
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