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Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by masklinn »

augustl wrote: post #10

Maybe we'll finally get a music app where classical music isn't categorized by Album/Artist :) Classical doesn't really fit that well into a schema, since you have composers, performers, and then under performers there's soloist, or multiple soloists, which orchestra, which conductor, and so on. And it would also be nice to have things like "show most popular recordings of Beethoven's 5th".

> Classical doesn't really fit that well into a schema, since you have composers, performers, and then under performers there's soloist, or multiple soloists, which orchestra, which conductor, and so on.

That sounds like a schema to me. Hell, even popular music can have such complexities, it’s just that they’re usually ignored e.g. if you want to correctly tag a cover featuring a rapper, that’s basically a performer (cover band), composer (the original band, or the actual composer as that’s often not the band), the soloist (the guest), there’s also the backing band and vocals which may have their own identity, and the venue may or may need a mention (e.g. a tiny desk live usually has a different feel than a concert live).

Obviously it’s not quite as bad as classical where as you mentioned there are eve more roles plus you might have hundreds or even thousands of interpretations of the same piece versus a handful.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by coldtea »

876978095789789 wrote: post #3
coldtea wrote: post #2

Waiting for the destined to be equally popular "Apple Music Polka"

Did you read the announcement: > Why a separate classical app? > Classical music often involves multiple musicians recording works that have been recorded many times before and are referred to by different names. For example, from the formal Beethoven’s Piano Sonata No. 14 to the popular byname of Moonlight Sonata, or in multiple languages, such as Mondschein Sonata in German. Such complexities mean that classical mu…

>Classical music often involves multiple musicians recording works that have been recorded many times before and are referred to by different names.

All of those things are true in the Polka world.

And of course all of those things could be a mode in a "classical genre section" of the standard music app (and similar for polka, latin, folk, and other cases where the same things hold).

Though my comment wasn't about the implementation, but about the niche-ness of it. Meanwhile major features awaited by huge customer bases still play the sound of crickets...

Re: Apple Music Classical

#34

Post by cpach »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25

This looks ok, but I can't be the only person suffering Content Fatigue. Between access to infinite music, infinite movies and TV, infinite gaming, and infinite news - and that's just leisure - I'm not sure how much time I have left for a finite life.

I wouldn’t reduce classical music to just leisure. It’s art, without which life would become meaningless.

The enormous supply means that the act of curation becomes very important in today’s world.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#35

Post by dewey »

afandian wrote: post #21
augustl wrote: post #10

Maybe we'll finally get a music app where classical music isn't categorized by Album/Artist :) Classical doesn't really fit that well into a schema, since you have composers, performers, and then under performers there's soloist, or multiple soloists, which orchestra, which conductor, and so on. And it would also be nice to have things like "show most popular recordings of Beethoven's 5th".

It fits perfectly well into a schema, it's just been ignored for some reason since the dawn of ID3. It's crazy Apple considered it better to write a completely new app rather than improve their existing product.

> It's crazy Apple considered it better to write a completely new app rather than improve their existing product.

That's why they didn't, they bought a service and rebranded it.

https://www.apple.com/hk/en/newsroom/2021/08/apple-acquires-...

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by Veen »

graphcolorer wrote: post #32

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It's perfectly reasonable for Western people to use "Classical" as a shorthand for "Western Classical". It's easy enough to apply a modifier if we want to talk about Indian Classical or Persian Classical or whatever. It doesn't mean we don't care about music from other areas, just that the default is to refer to our own musical traditions. The same is true of people from India and Iran—Indians are usually India-centric etc.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#37

Post by tgv »

lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

I've used Idagio for 6 months. They have a reasonable interface, good performances and sound quality, but their catalog is indeed limited. There are hundreds of performances of the same well-known works, but there's not (very) much beyond it. I've discovered about 100 fairly unknown composers through YouTube that I consider quite good, but many of them are missing from Idagio, or are listed with one or two works. Their catalog also lacks discoverability. There's nothing to relate Karl Goldmark to Brahms. I also dislike the subscription model, heavily.

So, I still buy albums (mostly from prestomusic, in case someone wants to know).

> the sector is only surviving thanks to public and private subsidies.

That could never change. Streaming will make it worse, though.

Re: Apple Music Classical

#38

Post by dewey »

For those asking why they "didn't just" improve the existing music app. This is the rebranded version of a service called Primephonic which they acquired last year. This is obviously way less work than trying to jam it into the existing app, so I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable decision.

https://www.apple.com/hk/en/newsroom/2021/08/apple-acquires-...

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