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Re: Wavelength

#31

Post by TJSomething »

aeontech wrote: post #11
starkparker wrote: post #6

I get his beef with Slack, but this is just Discord for people who don't want to talk to Android users. What's his problem with Discord, other than uselessly calling it ugly? EDIT: I thought his "it's AI in a group chat" pitch sounded familiar, then I realized it's because it's a Discord blog post from a couple weeks ago: https://discord.com/blog/ai-on-discord-your-place-for-ai-wit...

I think the sales pitch is a) better threading UX b) E2E encryption admittedly I'm a very casual Discord user, and haven't used this app at all yet, so I may be missing something. Also, sounds like the Android app is coming, so I don't think "don't want to talk to Android users" is an intended sales point?

I don't really like Discord's threads. They're basically a channel nested inside of a channel, but they don't really interact with or get exposed in the outer channel. And by default, they disappear after a while. And the threads are kind of hard to find if you haven't joined them yet.

Something that has a UX more like traditional forums as a chat app sounds neat to me.

Re: Wavelength

#32

Post by andrewflnr »

brianpan wrote: post #26
starkparker wrote: post #6

I get his beef with Slack, but this is just Discord for people who don't want to talk to Android users. What's his problem with Discord, other than uselessly calling it ugly? EDIT: I thought his "it's AI in a group chat" pitch sounded familiar, then I realized it's because it's a Discord blog post from a couple weeks ago: https://discord.com/blog/ai-on-discord-your-place-for-ai-wit...

I don't have a "beef" with Discord, but I have the feeling I really don't get it when I use it. I joined a couple of servers related to games I play and some sports. But I feel like there's conversations going on that I can't see. Do I need to message some special bot? Do I need an invite or be admitted before I can see some hidden channels? There are voice chats, there are so many settings. I definitely feel like I…

FWIW, that's more a matter of customizations for those servers than Discord in general. Vanilla discord is... still kind of annoying, but not terribly confusing. Mostly just Slack with voice/video chat and bad threading.

Re: Wavelength

#33

Post by nice_byte »

so I have to use slack at work, and my social interactions with friends, family and acquaintances are split across fb messenger, telegram, slack, discord, skype, WhatsApp, google chat, SMS, twitter dms and probably a few more I'm forgetting. on some of those platforms, I talk to as little as 1 single person.

I don't understand what could possibly drive anyone to making a new messaging app at this point. Even if your app has impenetrable privacy, impeccable ui, and amazingly useful features - it's not going to improve the horrible experience of wrangling a zillion of other messaging apps - and if your users have friends, they'll have to do that anyway. At this point, making another one of these feels like some kind of sadistic joke.

I wish to incinerate all messaging apps.

P.S.: to clarify - it's not like I even _want_ to use more than half of the messengers I listed. I am _forced to_, because some people I want to talk to are only available on certain platforms.

Re: Wavelength

#34

Post by rylz »

slg wrote: post #24
rylz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, cofounder here. We're very transparent in the UI about the fact that messages that mention @AI are not covered by e2ee. See https://imgur.com/a/5kPEdQP Only messages that actually mention @AI are sent in plaintext to us, and then to OpenAI's API. All content shared between people without invoking the AI is fully end-to-end encrypted.

That is good to know and thanks for the clarification. With this operating at the message level and not the thread or group level, is context still preserved to actually have a conversation with GPT?

Yes. Each time you mention @AI in a thread, all prior mentions of @AI in the same thread, as well as its prior responses (up to the token limit for GPT-3.5) are resubmitted to the OpenAI API, so that it can continue the conversation including prior context.

Re: Wavelength

#35

Post by ftio »

Sounds like the fundamental bet here is that design and privacy are meaningful differentiators in this market.

With regard to design, Wavelength's particular, native aesthetic might have a certain kind of emotional appeal to old-school Mac and iOS users (including me), but fundamentally its conversation view works a lot like Discord's, which also supports threads and basic replies. I don't think they're going to win on "quiet" design alone.

In fact, I think their focus on "nativeness" could inhibit feature competitiveness down the line. They'll need to make compromises one way or the other, either tolerating a greater sense of "cacophony" or forgoing features that other platforms support.

Their positioning and followthrough on privacy are strong.

Although Wavelength seems to be well-crafted, I think its success, like the success of many other network-oriented products, is going to largely come down to go-to-market. As an adviser and cheerleader, John gives them meaningful reach, but whether they can capitalize on that reach will depend on whether they can build a compelling enough hook to get people to move from wherever they're having conversations today.

Re: Wavelength

#36

Post by Multiplayer »

richardhenry wrote: post #20
nreilly wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too for no code in Australia

Hey, co-founder here - we think we've fixed this message delivery issue for Australia. Could you try again and let me know if you're still having issues? Sorry about that!

Ah yes, my old friend, the "nobody checked the international delivery boxes on Twilio" problem. Just a guess. Congratulations on going international!

Re: Wavelength

#37

Post by ukuina »

I understand moving to GPT-4 might be cost-prohibitive. Is there a plan to do so?

> Me: @AI What weighs more: a pound of flesh or a Great British Pound?

> AI: They both weigh the same amount, one pound.

> Powered by OpenAI GPT-3.5. Be careful, the bot may be completely wrong. Only messages that mention @AI are visible to the bot in this group.

This kind of reasoning is easy for GPT-4.

It's great to see messengers incorporate AI.

What's your moat here against a GPT Telegram bot?

Re: Wavelength

#38

Post by slg »

rylz wrote: post #34
slg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is good to know and thanks for the clarification. With this operating at the message level and not the thread or group level, is context still preserved to actually have a conversation with GPT?

Yes. Each time you mention @AI in a thread, all prior mentions of @AI in the same thread, as well as its prior responses (up to the token limit for GPT-3.5) are resubmitted to the OpenAI API, so that it can continue the conversation including prior context.

Great, otherwise there would be limited upside to the integration. Thanks for the details.

Re: Wavelength

#39

Post by divbzero »

starkparker wrote: post #6

I get his beef with Slack, but this is just Discord for people who don't want to talk to Android users. What's his problem with Discord, other than uselessly calling it ugly? EDIT: I thought his "it's AI in a group chat" pitch sounded familiar, then I realized it's because it's a Discord blog post from a couple weeks ago: https://discord.com/blog/ai-on-discord-your-place-for-ai-wit...

Keep in mind that the messaging ecosystem is big enough for multiple winners. Over the past few decades, there seems to be a continual churn where a handful of messaging apps dominate at any given time without a single one taking over completely.

Re: Wavelength

#40

Post by anileated »

I am wary of Wavelength due to unclear business model (it’s not paid and promises can’t rule out another future double-sided market where I’m the product) and won’t use it because any integration with ClosedAI makes me uncomfortable (I don’t need an LLM at my side when chatting with friends, and if I needed it I’d expect it can be run natively on Apple Neural).
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