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Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

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I don't think Google will win this race, not because they lack the technical expertise, but because they are too cheap. This is so telling: "We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback" They are richer than Croesus, that is no reason for them to hold back an…

It’s either that, or they’re secretly incompetent and can’t compete with openai. They are behind

Wouldn't surprise me too much. With the amount of failures they've had (Google Stadia immediately springs to mind, as well as Google+).

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

#32
Google looks to be caught in an innovator dilemma. They can’t roll out a good chat system comparable to its competitors because it directly competes with their core revenue stream of search.

From my angle, LLM’s are the next big step in search. If the company whose core business revolves around search can’t update their product to meaningfully compete with their competitors who view search as a side business, it should terrify anyone with invested time or money in Google.

This is an incredibly strong signal that the company is about to face some very difficult times ahead. I fully expect their next public showing of poor execution to be followed by investor uproar.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

#33
It's not the answer to ChatGPT but more to Bing Chat since both have made a Product which seems to be a hybrid between a LLM and a traditional Search Engine (with mixed results, the competitive advantage of Google is almost not there anymore with this new kind of search product). The only thing we know for sure at this point is that not many seem impressed with Bard so far (in high contrast to reactions for OpenAI releases)

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

#34

I don't think Google will win this race, not because they lack the technical expertise, but because they are too cheap. This is so telling: "We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback" They are richer than Croesus, that is no reason for them to hold back an…

Rather it's because one can't be sure that the product still exists in 24 months

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty surprising it can't do the months in alphabetical order. I just tried with LLaMA 30B. This is running on my MacBook Air with llama.cpp, quantized to 4 bits, and is a "raw" model (not alpaca / instruction tuned at all). Obviously some models will be better at some things (and will have different outputs given the same inputs) and worse at other, but you'd think Bard would be able to do that pretty simple…

gpt4: months in alphabetical order Here are the months in alphabetical order: April August December February January July June March May November October September

I've never seen the months listed in alphabetical order before.

And it's absolutely breaking my brain. Which is a reaction I did not expect.

It looks so wrong.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

#36
post #4

Too little too late, and even the wrong focus topic to survive as a company. Google is done. No one cares anymore what google does, its either inferior to alternatives and/or on the graveyard soon anyways. Time to move on.

> No one cares anymore what google does

Try to entirely avoid any of Google's products, including the search bar, Chrome and Android for 5 years, and I bet you will touch a Google product at least once.

The death of Google has been greatly exaggerated by OpenAI's marketing snake oil.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

#37
I can't say that I'm a fan of this current crop of LLM chatbots.

Some things bother me about this article and the facts that warranted it in the first place. I have very similar reservations with regard to the Bing chatbot launch (detailed below - just substitute Bing for Bard).

> Google has a lot riding on this launch. Microsoft partnered with OpenAI to make an aggressive play for Google’s top spot in search. Meanwhile, Google blundered straight out of the gate when it first tried to respond. In a teaser clip for Bard that the company put out in February, the chatbot was shown making a factual error. Google’s value fell by $100 billion overnight.

1. LaMDA is not a new project. They are clearly releasing a chatbot based on it to the public to compete with MS/OpenAI. But if the tech existed some time ago (and as a developer I realize that iteration and time and attention tends to improve quality), why didn't they release it before? I am guessing - baselessly - that they saw that the quality of the output was quite poor (often factually wrong, for instance). But now that a competitor is threatening their market share, quality metrics goes out the window - revenue is once again king.

2. Funny how the valuation of the company dropped so quickly. It is because as shareholders we rely so much on short term gain. There is no focus on follow-through or long-term consequences. I certainly don't believe that capitalism is inherently bad and I am a huge fan of competition. But I think the way we practice it leaves many practical things to be desired.

> “We’ll get user feedback, and we will ramp it up over time based on that feedback,” says Google’s vice president of research, Zoubin Ghahramani. “We are mindful of all the things that can go wrong with large language models.”

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> But Margaret Mitchell, chief ethics scientist at AI startup Hugging Face and former co-lead of Google’s AI ethics team, is skeptical of this framing. Google has been working on LaMDA for years, she says, and she thinks pitching Bard as an experiment “is a PR trick that larger companies use to reach millions of customers while also removing themselves from accountability if anything goes wrong.”

3. This quote, and the mention in the article of the "Google It" button below the Bard chat, the three versions of Bard's response ("drafts", FTA), the quote by the Google product director that says "There’s the sense of authoritativeness when you only see one example”... I could not agree more with what Margaret Mitchell has to say (I have never heard of her before, to my knowledge). Isn't it very clear by now that users don't have the time or attention to acknowledge implications? We are busy and we don't have the energy. If we see it on a screen, we take it as fact, copy and paste it as needed, and proceed with the knowledge that we have gleaned from said "facts". I suspect that if anybody really knows how misinformation works and the effects it has on society, it's data analysts at Google search. But the almighty revenue stream dictates that they push this not-necessarily-factual-information-producing-tool anyway.

If I can find the time, I'm quite curious to read that article that just pre-dates Bing chat and Bard about the dangers of using LLMs in search engines.

Re: Google just launched Bard, its answer to ChatGPT

#38
post #30

I don't think Google will win this race, not because they lack the technical expertise, but because they are too cheap. This is so telling: "We’re releasing it initially with our lightweight model version of LaMDA. This much smaller model requires significantly less computing power, enabling us to scale to more users, allowing for more feedback" They are richer than Croesus, that is no reason for them to hold back an…

You're making the assumption that quality is the only feature that matters, rather than it being a multi- dimensional tradeoff where we don't know at all what tradeoffs consumers actually prefer. For example, a smaller model will run faster, right? At this exact moment, ChatGPT is giving me about a word every 2-3 seconds. It's basically useless. But even when the system is not overloaded, there's a noticeable delay.…

Try Bing though, based on GPT-4. That's their real competition, and it beats the pants off Google.
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