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The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Somehow this makes me less impressed and excited by GPT-4. I was expecting it to be better than Bing Chat.

Same. I've found it incredibly useless. I'm scared something might happen with GPT3/playground. They might start adding restrictions for medical or marketing/psychology(I use it to defend myself from exploiters). In January, it seemed like something happened to ChatGPT like it was nerfed. It made me panic and I ended up spending hours asking GPT3 questions because I was afraid it would be gone soon.

> In January, it seemed like something happened to ChatGPT like it was nerfed

I asked it some questions this morning that came back surprisingly crappy compared to the exact same prompt just a few weeks ago.

Had a similar reaction. I think there is a lot more going on here... Is it possible that some VIP told them to "turn it down" out of fear of losing their own business model overnight?

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Here's a trick question I posed to ChatGPT and Bing (so presumably, revealing an improvement in GPT-4): What's heavier, a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers? --- ChatGPT: They both weigh the same, which is one pound. This is because a pound is a unit of measurement for weight and it is a constant value. So whether you have a pound of bricks or two pounds of feathers, they both still weigh one pound in total. H…

I wonder what the minimum volume of a pound of feathers is in relation to density of brick.

Can feathers be compressed past the density of brick?

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Somehow this makes me less impressed and excited by GPT-4. I was expecting it to be better than Bing Chat.

Same. I've found it incredibly useless. I'm scared something might happen with GPT3/playground. They might start adding restrictions for medical or marketing/psychology(I use it to defend myself from exploiters). In January, it seemed like something happened to ChatGPT like it was nerfed. It made me panic and I ended up spending hours asking GPT3 questions because I was afraid it would be gone soon.

> I use it to defend myself from exploiters

how do you use it for this?

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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It is getting some hate, but I am finding Bing AI to be actually way more useful than ChatGPT in tons of instances. Especially with the ability to select your response level.

I was hoping it could combine some news together. Like 'which law caused the banks to fail'? No news article actually mentioned the law, they just said 'Trump'. Bing couldnt figure it out either.

Which law caused the banks to fail? SVB failed because they took the wrong risks. I don't understand what your question means.

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Somehow this makes me less impressed and excited by GPT-4. I was expecting it to be better than Bing Chat.

Bing Chat appears to specifically, be an 'early' (to quote the MS press statement) GPT-4. I read that as implying that it was only partially trained, and so better than GPT-3.5, but still well below the final GPT-4 model.

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Somehow this makes me less impressed and excited by GPT-4. I was expecting it to be better than Bing Chat.

One thing to note is that Bing Chat isn’t the straight GPT-4 model, it’s heavily prompted to show you an answer in a format that Bing Chat wants it to be in. Notice how most lines in a Bing Chat response are direct summaries of lines from the source with a link to the source? I’d argue that while doing that is the morally correct thing to do, it does hamper the usefulness of you aren’t looking for website sourced results.

It’s like you’re given a bathtub full of water and you can only use the water through a straw. It’s great if you’re thirsty, but what if you really want to take a shower…

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chat GPT 9: 1 pound of bricks is heavier and much cooler. Get a special discount of bricks from Bricks&Friends!

Chat GPT 10: Hot bricklayers near you want to meet up now!

Chat GPT 11: * Resounding silence. The universe is entirely made of paperclips *

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've found it incredibly useless. I'm scared something might happen with GPT3/playground. They might start adding restrictions for medical or marketing/psychology(I use it to defend myself from exploiters). In January, it seemed like something happened to ChatGPT like it was nerfed. It made me panic and I ended up spending hours asking GPT3 questions because I was afraid it would be gone soon.

> I use it to defend myself from exploiters how do you use it for this?

Using gpt3, describe yourself in detail then end the prompt: "This is how marketers exploit me:"

or "this is how people exploit me:"

swap exploit with other things like 'flatter'.

(Note that OpenAI is going to keep this data on you, might be worth using a different persons name)

Re: The Bing AI bot has been secretly running GPT-4

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Bing chat is really restrictive, so no one would really notice it. You can’t talk about x or y, and the chat limit is 6-10, so the conversation will cutoff before anything interesting happens. It’s like announcing faster cellular speeds. It’s not very exciting when the data caps are so low before you get throttled or worse.

chatgpt has felt more restrictive than Bing, having tested both. ChatGpt too often declining to say anything useful ("As an AI language model [I can't do that] etc.."). Bing is good because it searches the web, it and you interpret the internet together.

I have a counter-anecdote.

ChatGPT (just tested with GPT-4, not sure if this matters) had no issue with comparing two sex toys even though this might be in a grayer area in respect to their ToS. Bing (with SafeSearch off, obviously), on the other hand, met me with a brick wall, starting to generate text then abruptly replacing it with "I can't talk about this right now, ask something else" and refusing to clarify - even though if asked "are you OK to talk about sex-related topics?" it essentially says "sure, go on, what's your question?".

Unfortunately, ChatGPT doesn't have Internet access so it's pretty much useless if asked to find and summarize real user reviews. It only knows the basic facts, such as product specs.

Essentially, ChatGPT was trained to not reply to certain requests, while Bing AI was lobotomized and one of its hemispheres is happy to chat while another suddenly backpedals if it sees something it was told to avoid.

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