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SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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While libertarian tendencies may be more prevalent in the VC community, they seem to still be a small minority (or at least that’s my perception). I for one undoubtedly think the treasuries actions create real moral hazard, but also am grateful that the depositors potentially affected by this won’t be harmed…

Other than Peter Thiel there's not a lot of Libertarians on this list: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.php?cycle=202...

This conjecture about Libertarians in tech is dated. Might've been true in the 90s, but the industry has been captured since then.

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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Is there a term for someone that is libertarian inclined, but does believe in a minimal level of government regulation and intervention? A "Lite-Libertarian" of sorts.

In countries other than the U.S., this is called "liberalism".

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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The author ignores that behind the downfall of SVB was a climate of excess liquidity on the markets, a bonanza created by the authorities that made SVB see itself with a glut of funds. Now, SVB, loaded with money, could have tried loaning it like crazy, but instead, decided to go the conservative way and buy bonds. Someone could argue that they could have foreseen that this abundance of liquidity in the markets, alon…

I don't know much about finance and have never worked in banking but anyone more than 40 years old should know that fed rates can go into double digits. It's not like a black swan. It's happened before so I'm a bit surprised people are so shocked by the feds moves.

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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The author ignores that behind the downfall of SVB was a climate of excess liquidity on the markets, a bonanza created by the authorities that made SVB see itself with a glut of funds. Now, SVB, loaded with money, could have tried loaning it like crazy, but instead, decided to go the conservative way and buy bonds. Someone could argue that they could have foreseen that this abundance of liquidity in the markets, alon…

It was their unwise bet on ten year T bonds that got SVB into difficulties, a far larger societal economic issue than is being acknowledged. 'This decade’s learning: bonds aren’t a universally safe asset class.' ...the US federal reserve are playing a dangerous game battling the inflation they enabled with rate hikes http://www.brooock.com/a/svb-collapse-exposes-cracks-in-econ...

What is the larger issue? That people buying bonds don't understand that their value drops when interest rates go up and that if you might need the money from the bonds before the bond matures you need to hedge for that?

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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The author ignores that behind the downfall of SVB was a climate of excess liquidity on the markets, a bonanza created by the authorities that made SVB see itself with a glut of funds. Now, SVB, loaded with money, could have tried loaning it like crazy, but instead, decided to go the conservative way and buy bonds. Someone could argue that they could have foreseen that this abundance of liquidity in the markets, alon…

> But in the end, even if we could argue that SVB should have been more prescient, it is clear that the root cause of the problems is the actions of the government and the FED. No. SVB hid market to market losses by saying "these securities are held to maturity so I don't have to realize losses". THAT is the source of the problem. Not all banks did this. Sure excess liquidity was necessary for this behavior to be pos…

I don’t understand. If you hold a bond to maturity you get it’s NPV. Valuing it at NPV vs mark to market has more to do with your plan than any sort of fundamental truth - they’re both legitimate ways of valuing it. The mark to market only comes relevant if you’re experiencing a run, which they were holding sufficient regulatory liquidity for. They should have hedged their rates risk a bit better, especially as inflation became even a whisper, but if it hadn’t devolved into a run this whole story would be a foot note in a quarterly filing. Rather I suspect there was a bit of market manipulation by some wealthy valley insiders that took a relatively routine asset management event and turned it into a crisis. For profit.

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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The author ignores that behind the downfall of SVB was a climate of excess liquidity on the markets, a bonanza created by the authorities that made SVB see itself with a glut of funds. Now, SVB, loaded with money, could have tried loaning it like crazy, but instead, decided to go the conservative way and buy bonds. Someone could argue that they could have foreseen that this abundance of liquidity in the markets, alon…

Always want someone else to blame, and why not the Fed. Nobody likes them.

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

#38

This reminds me of one of my favorite books from the past couple years, A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear. It’s a fascinating deep dive into an attempt to create a sort of libertarian utopia in a small town called Grafton, New Hampshire. The speed at which they arrive at “we need government services” after they eviscerate government services is… unsurprising. 10/10 I highly recommend it for anyone that’s interested in…

A more recent example is the water crisis taking place in Cochise county.

https://grist.org/regulation/arizona-groundwater-cochise-cou...

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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The author ignores that behind the downfall of SVB was a climate of excess liquidity on the markets, a bonanza created by the authorities that made SVB see itself with a glut of funds. Now, SVB, loaded with money, could have tried loaning it like crazy, but instead, decided to go the conservative way and buy bonds. Someone could argue that they could have foreseen that this abundance of liquidity in the markets, alon…

Well, I’d argue that they should have hedged their rates risk especially as inflation started to tick up. They just don’t have good risk managers. But that said, if there hadn’t been a run the causal issues would have been a foot note in a quarterly filing. Everyone is acting as if SVB were Lehman or Bear Sterns. They just got caught with their pants down and everyone ran over to take a picture and post it on Twitter…

I saw on another HN thread that when a bank has bonds designated as "hold to maturity" they are not allowed to hedge against rate risk--because there isn't any! The bonds will be held til expiration for purposes of the coupon, not to trade.

Re: SVB shows that there are few libertarians in a financial foxhole

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The author ignores that behind the downfall of SVB was a climate of excess liquidity on the markets, a bonanza created by the authorities that made SVB see itself with a glut of funds. Now, SVB, loaded with money, could have tried loaning it like crazy, but instead, decided to go the conservative way and buy bonds. Someone could argue that they could have foreseen that this abundance of liquidity in the markets, alon…

>decided to go the conservative way and buy bonds.

While strictly true, they did decide to go with long dated bonds that would tie up those funds for years potentially. Typically banks will buy bonds of shorter duration.

SVB however couldn't resist the higher interest rates of those long dated bonds. IIRC they had an average maturity of six years, whereas most banks are typically under one year.

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