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There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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Seems like we have a systemic crisis every 5-7 years

Between covid, an attempted insurrection, proxy war with Russia and now this potential financial crisis, there's a new black swan event happening every ~12 months.

How many black swans make a flock? At this rate the unpredictable and rare events are becoming frequent enough to lose that status.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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I’m surprised the author didn’t include a chart like this: https://twitter.com/alistairmbarr/status/1634275645235793920 . It shows how bad the SVB situation really is. It’s been very quiet since 2008 and its aftermath. Until now.

I’m still not clear on if it’s even the same. My very weak understanding is that in 2008 a ton of assets turned out to be valueless junk mortgages that were all going to default. Is that true for SVB or are their assets just too locked in for now? What that graph doesn’t show is the percentage of the blue bars that are recoverable assets.

It turns out that there was very little defaulting in 2008, the problem was the fear of default which resulted in changing valuations that were not broadly expected.

In this case, there is no doubt about the value of SVB’s assets: they’re lower than they were a year ago simply because they were heavily long duration and rates went up a lot. That’s bond pricing 101.

That, in combination with a low diversity of depositors that starting withdrawing at once, set up the bank run that VCs created by emailing all their portfolio companies to run.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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post #2

I’m surprised the author didn’t include a chart like this: https://twitter.com/alistairmbarr/status/1634275645235793920 . It shows how bad the SVB situation really is. It’s been very quiet since 2008 and its aftermath. Until now.

I'll ask the obvious question, because I have no clue about this stuff. The early failures in 2008 seem to have been followed by a cascade of smaller failures. Is that going to happen again?

It might. Have to see what else breaks and/or gets bailed out on Monday.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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This is total 'whataboutism'. This bank failure is the second largest of all time in the US, and has a potential massive contagion with lots of ripple effects through the tech industry.

This "Not just SVB" and "There have been 562 other bank failures before" deflection doesn't help those affected.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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It sure is, and I hope congress and the Fed learns their lesson this time, seeing as some of the same people who worked in previous economic failures are still around, I doubt it.

What lesson is that? To allow inflation run rampant in order to protect Basel exempted businesses from their own bad decisions? Inflation must be tamed, it's detrimental longterm effects is magnitudes worse than a bank deservedly going bust for it's lack of risk management.

Inflation is caused by profiteering and opportunism aided by the occasional supply shock.

Trying to control it solely with interest rates makes as much sense as trying to fly a beach ball to Mars.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What lesson is that? To allow inflation run rampant in order to protect Basel exempted businesses from their own bad decisions? Inflation must be tamed, it's detrimental longterm effects is magnitudes worse than a bank deservedly going bust for it's lack of risk management.

Not the poster you asked. But, a lesson we continue to ignore is that there are other options to tame inflation besides raising interest rates. The problem is the option isn’t politically expedient so Congress just raises its hands in mock exasperation and says well, it’s the Fed’s mandate to manage inflation. Congress are cowards and won’t do what should be done - raise taxes. That is likely the fastest least painfu…

I know nothing about economics. Can you help me understand how raising taxes helps deal with inflation? Is the idea that the federal government "deletes" some of the money it receives through taxes, like the opposite of printing more money which cheapens the existing supply?

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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It's not just SVB, but the title is a bit misleading. There's been 22 failures since 2016 and 10 since 2018 and they've been really small compared to SVB. The article has this information so it isn't a misleading article, but damn the title is misleading. The 562 number makes it seem like bank failures are really common. These failures aren't common, especially of SVB's size. Washington Mutual is the only larger fail…

The point is that there's a constant background noise of failures with occasional explosive peaks.

Although it's not easy to call the exact timing, the same manic depressive financial cycle has been happening for centuries.

Banking is supposed to limit its effects. Somehow - inexplicably, to the constant shock and surprise of economists and the industry - it seems to make them worse.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What lesson is that? To allow inflation run rampant in order to protect Basel exempted businesses from their own bad decisions? Inflation must be tamed, it's detrimental longterm effects is magnitudes worse than a bank deservedly going bust for it's lack of risk management.

Not the poster you asked. But, a lesson we continue to ignore is that there are other options to tame inflation besides raising interest rates. The problem is the option isn’t politically expedient so Congress just raises its hands in mock exasperation and says well, it’s the Fed’s mandate to manage inflation. Congress are cowards and won’t do what should be done - raise taxes. That is likely the fastest least painfu…

> Congress are cowards and won’t do what should be done - raise taxes.

They're still cowards for not doing it but what should've been done is an increase in interest rates half a decade ago.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't know anyone saying "it's just SVB since 2000". They're saying SVB is the first major bank in a long time (and hopefully not a harbinger of things to come).

It sure is, and I hope congress and the Fed learns their lesson this time, seeing as some of the same people who worked in previous economic failures are still around, I doubt it.

> It sure is, and I hope congress and the Fed learns their lesson this time, seeing as some of the same people who worked in previous economic failures are still around, I doubt it.

Don't bet on it. One of the big changes after the 2008 crisis was the passage of Dodd-Frank, which was then repealed in large part in 2018.

Some of the repealed provisions in Dodd-Frank would likely have mitigated or even prevented this bank run, due to the capital and liquidity testing requirements.

Re: There have been 562 bank failures since 2000

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the poster you asked. But, a lesson we continue to ignore is that there are other options to tame inflation besides raising interest rates. The problem is the option isn’t politically expedient so Congress just raises its hands in mock exasperation and says well, it’s the Fed’s mandate to manage inflation. Congress are cowards and won’t do what should be done - raise taxes. That is likely the fastest least painfu…

I know nothing about economics. Can you help me understand how raising taxes helps deal with inflation? Is the idea that the federal government "deletes" some of the money it receives through taxes, like the opposite of printing more money which cheapens the existing supply?

that would .. actually make sense. I can't imagine anyone who is winning in the status quo being anything but horrified at the thought.

has any currency ever done this? isn't there a risk of a Japanese-style concurrent inflation and recession?

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