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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Are there any internationally relevant internet companies in Europe?

Spotify comes to mind. Then .. I can't think of anything. No search engine. No browser. No operating system. No social network. No ecommerce company. No cloud computing platform. No financial services company. No transportation company. No travel company. No nothing.

Except for a $20B music aggregator, there is not a single sector of the web where European companies managed to get a foot in the door. The whole fabric of the internet used in Europe and worldwide is made outside of Europe.

But Europe seems to have learned nothing from suffocating their internet industry. Instead of wafting fresh air to the patient, governments just recently decided to give him the ultimate death pill: The GDPR.

We can only wait and see with what bureaucratic monsters Europe will prevent the emergence of an AI industry.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Curious that you’ve put ketamine, a well known anesthetic used primary by the vets but recently also used in depression treatment [1], in that list of “harmful tools with no practical uses”. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine-assisted_psychotherap...

Vets and psychotherapists are not “the general public”. Every item I listed has a clear and valuable purpose, but only in specific contexts.

Yeah I would consider pet owners and people with depression (so groups of people that benefit from this specific tool) a part of general public, both are fairly large groups.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

Seriously one of the stupidest regulations I've ever seen. It would have been nice if they would have at least had the forethought to enforce regulation on a do not track header.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

> It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter.

This seems backwards and contrary to lessons learned in the past. Once the thing exists, prohibition is infeasible and expensive. Supply will find a way to reaech demand regardless of your multi-billion dollar efforts to prevent that.

It's better to stop $NEFARIOUS_THING being invented in the first place, if possible, and if any regulations that achieve this don't have too many unintended side effects.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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I support your concern that I don't share, so why make me suffer? I tried the "I don't care about cookies" extension but it didn't work for me.

The regulation says nothing about a cookie banner. Instead, it says companies cannot track you unless you give consent. If you don't like cookie banners, which are indeed really annoying, you should be turning your ire to the companies that wish to track you. They are fully-functional solutions that allow anonymous tracking without installing cookies on your computer - no banner needed then.

I'm a grown up adult and if I wanted to block tracking I could. The fact that I don't should be the only answer needed but that's not good enough for the EU. They want to force companies to ask me because they want to take care of me and make sure I'm all right. You know, I left home at 18 to get away from my parents...

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Strong AI is a weapon. It will be regulated just like firearms/munitions - see the current EU draft which consists of some hundred pages of forbidding this or that under the guise of ethics and whatnot, after which comes a paragraph of "the above doesn't apply to law enforcement or military entities". We're still in the early stages of this technology. ChatGPT will be to strong AI like a firecracker is to a BLU-109.

The question is where do we start setting the limits for regulations? I mean ya we ban nukes, but we also ban high powered layers and anti aircraft weapons. It's going to need limits in multiple dimensions.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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> The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring, manipulation and some instances of facial recognition. It would also designate some specific uses of AI as “high-risk,” binding developers to stricter requirements of transparency, safety and human oversight. The catch? ChatGPT can serve both the benign and the malignant.

This does not mean that the regulation is broken but that it should have come even sooner. As Uber found out, to run faster than regulations just works for so much time.

> In February the lead lawmakers on the AI Act, Benifei and Tudorache, proposed that AI systems generating complex texts without human oversight should be part of the “high-risk” list — an effort to stop ChatGPT from churning out disinformation at scale.

This seems an actual good goal. Move fast and break things is not a good approach when what you are breaking is the whole society.

> The EU's AI Act should “maintain its focus on high-risk use cases,” said Microsoft’s Chief Responsible AI Officer Natasha Crampton

> A recent investigation by transparency activist group Corporate Europe Observatory also said industry actors, including Microsoft and Google, had doggedly lobbied EU policymakers to exclude general-purpose AI like ChatGPT from the obligations imposed on high-risk AI systems.

Of course Microsoft wants to sell a product even if they do not know the impact that it will have onto the population. EU should balance that desire of profit taking into account the need of its citizens.

> ChatGPT told POLITICO it thinks it might need regulating: “The EU should consider designating generative AI and large language models as ‘high risk’ technologies, given their potential to create harmful and misleading content,” the chatbot responded when questioned on whether it should fall under the AI Act’s scope.

Funny one.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Control may be the wrong thing here. Every technology, at some point, will inevitably bring questions of legal liability and culpability, and AI has a large tendency to do so because of how applicable it is. It’s not the worst idea to try and get ahead of the problem by defining a legal framework. Examples of how a free-for-all has resulted in legal questions; * police and the judiciary in the US have come under fire…

I don't get it. For the first example, the system is only a tool used and the responsibility is still with whoever does the sentencing/traffic stops etc.

In the second case, how is this different from e.g. Kelley Blue Book for car prices?

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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How about harmful tools with no practical uses to the general public? Mortars, tanks, ketamine, ICBM GPS units… You’re taking an absolutist position, so I’d like to explore it.

If you're open for exploration, what are your thoughts on organisms rights to self defense? What level of self defense should they be able to have if another organism is trying to end their life?

There is a tension between the need to level the playing field and the need to minimize the harm potential.

For example, land mines, machine gun emplacements, and chemical weapons can be effective forms of home defense. An intruder would have access to the same equipment, but at least the playing field is level, right? However, an attacker would also be able to inflict astounding mass casualties in moments with this equipment.

On the other side, if the most effective self defense weapon available is a kitchen knife, the playing field is not very level, and a weak victim can be overpowered by an attacker or intruder. However, the ability to inflict mass casualty is greatly limited.

So, I don’t have a specific level to prescribe, but I would start the discussion by framing the decision as a balance between these two elements.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Why the need to bring it under control? Control from what? It's not the AI that's the issue, it's the use of it that's the problem. The law shouldn't focus on the AI, for example: >The regulation, proposed by the Commission in 2021, was designed to ban some AI applications like social scoring Ban social scoring, not the AI, the tool doesn't matter. Would it be good if it was computed by hand on paper instead of throu…

Isn't this the same argument as "ban murder, not guns"? Murder is illegal, yes, but fatalities are lower in places with gun control than places without.

You should look up Switzerland's gun laws and intentional homicide rate if you think so.

That is a far more complex issue which is far deeper than such a simple correlation.

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