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Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by xyzelement »

Apocryphon wrote: post #29
xyzelement wrote: post #26

You only get to decide how much productivity is enough if the world is not competitive. Which it is. Your output is driven by the guy who's gonna eat your lunch otherwise, not by your vibe.

How does that work within the context of an office place? Not all corporations have internal cultures that encourage competition between coworkers. And at some point it's no longer productivity that causes one to get ahead, but politics.

Competition still applies. It your company has a culture where delivering doesn't matter, you are gonna be taken out by one that does.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by missedthecue »

la64710 wrote: post #28
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #8

"Bare Minimum Mondays" sounds exactly like the kind of thing a "gospel of productivity" would promote. If the article had to be boiled down to one thing, it would be the fact that housing is too expensive. Which is frankly a derivative of the fact that for decades the US has promoted wealth building on the backs of real estate, which is unsustainable for obvious reasons . Also, replacing work, which even if it doesn'…

Why should house prices in USA be any different than any other country? Adjusting for the current different real estate prices are much more in many other major cities around the world than that of in USA.

I agree. For all the bellyaching about US real estate prices (and I realize they have gone up a lot) it still one of the more affordable countries for a local resident to buy their own home.

https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/gmaps_rankings.js...

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by TigeriusKirk »

xyzelement wrote: post #31
Apocryphon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that work within the context of an office place? Not all corporations have internal cultures that encourage competition between coworkers. And at some point it's no longer productivity that causes one to get ahead, but politics.

Competition still applies. It your company has a culture where delivering doesn't matter, you are gonna be taken out by one that does.

Maybe. But this process can take decades. Even longer than your entire career in some cases.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by xyzelement »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #34
xyzelement wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Competition still applies. It your company has a culture where delivering doesn't matter, you are gonna be taken out by one that does.

Maybe. But this process can take decades. Even longer than your entire career in some cases.

If you can be confident that you can coast your whole life and be well-off, then I have no argument against it.

If you are not confident, or perhaps want to make sure your children have a work ethic that is more likely to give them a good life - then it's a big risk to assume you can chill and all will be fine.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by maxlamb »

la64710 wrote: post #28
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #8

"Bare Minimum Mondays" sounds exactly like the kind of thing a "gospel of productivity" would promote. If the article had to be boiled down to one thing, it would be the fact that housing is too expensive. Which is frankly a derivative of the fact that for decades the US has promoted wealth building on the backs of real estate, which is unsustainable for obvious reasons . Also, replacing work, which even if it doesn'…

Why should house prices in USA be any different than any other country? Adjusting for the current different real estate prices are much more in many other major cities around the world than that of in USA.

Is that including property tax and the fact that there is severely inadequate public transportation so you need to own a car?

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by presentation »

la64710 wrote: post #28
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #8

"Bare Minimum Mondays" sounds exactly like the kind of thing a "gospel of productivity" would promote. If the article had to be boiled down to one thing, it would be the fact that housing is too expensive. Which is frankly a derivative of the fact that for decades the US has promoted wealth building on the backs of real estate, which is unsustainable for obvious reasons . Also, replacing work, which even if it doesn'…

Why should house prices in USA be any different than any other country? Adjusting for the current different real estate prices are much more in many other major cities around the world than that of in USA.

I live in Tokyo, I do not get this sense here.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by mcdonje »

la64710 wrote: post #28
asdajksah2123 wrote: post #8

"Bare Minimum Mondays" sounds exactly like the kind of thing a "gospel of productivity" would promote. If the article had to be boiled down to one thing, it would be the fact that housing is too expensive. Which is frankly a derivative of the fact that for decades the US has promoted wealth building on the backs of real estate, which is unsustainable for obvious reasons . Also, replacing work, which even if it doesn'…

Why should house prices in USA be any different than any other country? Adjusting for the current different real estate prices are much more in many other major cities around the world than that of in USA.

"Others have it worse" isn't a compelling argument for maintaining a status quo that isn't working for most people.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by boppo1 »

Mizoguchi wrote: post #30

The author doesn't consider our parents and their parents didn't own a modern house walking distance from dinning and entertainment which is what most people aspire to today. They also married very young, had three kids before 25 and signed up for 30 year loans to pay their cookie cutter suburban homes. You could technically do the same today, it's just that living that type of life would be absolutely terrifying for…

>Own a house walking distance from dinning and entertainment

My parents and their parents did. Neither were rich. Perhaps not super bougie places but they had various community things nearby like dancing, bowling, bars, gyms, malls, etc. Detroit and detroit metro.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Post by lotsoweiners »

maxlamb wrote: post #36
la64710 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should house prices in USA be any different than any other country? Adjusting for the current different real estate prices are much more in many other major cities around the world than that of in USA.

Is that including property tax and the fact that there is severely inadequate public transportation so you need to own a car?

Who knows but alot of us wouldn't take public transportation if it stopped by our front door.
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