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Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by wavephorm » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 5:37 AM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #29

wavephorm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I meant was that RIM and their execs have been insulated from the true damage being done to their business and more importantly their mindshare among developers. Apple's success with iPhone and iPad is absolutely not what I'd call a bubble.

You suggested that Apple has some kind of majority market share or something. They don't. Hence, your bubble is showing.

Depends on the metrics used, Apple has 52% of smartphone profit:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2011/11/04/apple-t...

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by mbreese » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 5:49 AM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #29

wavephorm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I meant was that RIM and their execs have been insulated from the true damage being done to their business and more importantly their mindshare among developers. Apple's success with iPhone and iPad is absolutely not what I'd call a bubble.

You suggested that Apple has some kind of majority market share or something. They don't. Hence, your bubble is showing.

It depends on if you are counting devices versus OS... Android sells more than iOS, but the numbers are split amongst all the manufacturers.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by whatusername » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 5:49 AM UTC

wavephorm wrote: post #31

cryptoz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You suggested that Apple has some kind of majority market share or something. They don't. Hence, your bubble is showing.

Depends on the metrics used, Apple has 52% of smartphone profit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2011/11/04/apple-t...

But the metric your post used was Handsets, not Profit: "everywhere else in the first world owns or will own an iPhone."

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by phil » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 6:10 AM UTC

According to the press release, they are also out as co-chairs of the board.

Lazaridis is becoming Vice Chair (whatever that means) and Balsillie is retaining his seat but will be stripped of all titles.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by allertonm » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 6:10 AM UTC

Stormbringer wrote: post #30

nl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So techies know RIM is in trouble, and Wall Street is pricing RIM as though it is in trouble... The only people who think it isn't in trouble are inside RIM. RIM is very profitable and growing Actually the opposite is true: RIM profit drops 27 percent; shipments seen down [1], The Waterloo, Ontario, company said fiscal third-quarter earnings tumbled 71% on a charge related to a disastrous launch of a tablet competito…

They had recently been increasing volume (and to an extent profit) by cutting prices, of course there is only so far you can cut into prices before profit suffers. Gruber referenced something about this not so long ago - someone had written an article showing that historically companies that do this appear good in the short term, but in the long term it is a huge danger sign. Hence the person to whom you were replyin…

Pretty sure the piece you are referring to was by Michael Mace: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010/10/whats-really-w...

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by cpeterso » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 6:16 AM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #20

mvkel wrote: post #3

Too little too late? If we start seeing tons of "expense cutting" measures with no innovation, they need to a) hire from the outside for a fresh perspective or b) get acquired

I think their only chance to be relevant would be to get our of the hardware business and rush to be a service company. They should start making Blackberry Enterprise Server integration for Android. They should see if they could get Apple to let the iPhone hook in too. Their phones are a lost cause. Even if they had an amazing phone in the pipeline, I don't think they could stop their slide if it was released tomorro…

Spot on. People loved their CrackBerries because of the messaging services (and maybe the keyboards), not the tired phone software. iOS and Android devices dominate the enterprise now, but RIM could retain a server-side position BES. IT departments might like a single enterprising message service that can they can standardize across the variety of Android and iOS devices they will have to support.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by wavephorm » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 6:23 AM UTC

whatusername wrote: post #33

wavephorm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the metrics used, Apple has 52% of smartphone profit: http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2011/11/04/apple-t...

But the metric your post used was Handsets, not Profit: "everywhere else in the first world owns or will own an iPhone."

I made a generalization, I didn't use metrics.

In any case, I find this type of pedantry kind of annoying. I made a point about RIM losing marketshare, my point was not about what percentage of a certain market Apple owns.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by farrel » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 7:34 AM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #20

mvkel wrote: post #3

Too little too late? If we start seeing tons of "expense cutting" measures with no innovation, they need to a) hire from the outside for a fresh perspective or b) get acquired

I think their only chance to be relevant would be to get our of the hardware business and rush to be a service company. They should start making Blackberry Enterprise Server integration for Android. They should see if they could get Apple to let the iPhone hook in too. Their phones are a lost cause. Even if they had an amazing phone in the pipeline, I don't think they could stop their slide if it was released tomorro…

Remember when people were screaming at Apple to get out the hardware game in 1997?

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by fierarul » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 8:13 AM UTC

wavephorm wrote: post #17

The fact that it took this long for the CEO's to step down reflects the extreme arrogance of this company. I've attended a few RIM-sponsored events in the Waterloo, and it's downright shocking how cocky the reps and developers are. RIM appears to be living in its own little tech bubble, blissfully ignorant that pretty much everywhere else in the first world owns or will own an iPhone. This company makes a lot of mone…

>This company makes a lot of money, they still have a lot of marketshare, but there's no question they are in a serious downdraft. It would be completely normal for any company in this situation to put itself up for sale.

So you would sell a profitable company with a large market share?

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by Samuel_Michon » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 8:17 AM UTC

mbreese wrote: post #32

cryptoz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You suggested that Apple has some kind of majority market share or something. They don't. Hence, your bubble is showing.

It depends on if you are counting devices versus OS... Android sells more than iOS, but the numbers are split amongst all the manufacturers.

"Android handsets vs iPhones", not "Android vs iOS". iOS as a platform includes iPhone, iPod touch, iPad and AppleTV.

We'll have to wait until tomorrow [1] to find out whether Android as a platform has a bigger marketshare than iOS does.

[1] http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/01/20FY-12-First-Quarte...