A zone of what though? Time zones, are zones of our planet where we observe time in some coordinated fashion. If we're adding the moon, what part of our globe should it be considered a part of? This all seems pretty silly.
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Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
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Do you work with people in other timezones? It’s much easier to reason about what a reasonable time is for people when you know how it centers up with noon for them.
I do. And the math needs to be done either way, if you're trying to determine a relation to when the sun is at its peak for your area vs their area.
The math would've been a lot easier if GMT+0 had been somewhere in the Pacific ocean. Going from +1 to -7 is a lot more troublesome for most people than from +11 to +19.
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Do you work with people in other timezones? It’s much easier to reason about what a reasonable time is for people when you know how it centers up with noon for them.
'I'll call you tomorrow.' 'Tomorrow clock time or tomorrow after the Sun rises?'
I usually say "tomorrow your time or my time" :)
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Having English as the official language of the EU when England isn’t in the EU would be quite funny.
Ireland and Malta are two EU members where English is one of the official languages.
But they picked Irish and Maltese ad their "EU must support it" language, since English was already there.
When Brexit was looming there was a bit of a scare that when the UK was gone English would no longer be supported.
But luckily the EU institutions were not insane.
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How about 1000 ".beats" per day? Swatch tried that, but it didn't catch on.
A “day” is a terrible horrible no good very bad unit. Units should be constant! https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deviation_of_day_l...
The deviation is a couple of milliseconds :)
Bad for scientists, not noticeable for normal life. Science could have its own standard?
Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
#36I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.
No, you wouldn't: https://qntm.org/abolish
Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you work with people in other timezones? It’s much easier to reason about what a reasonable time is for people when you know how it centers up with noon for them.
'I'll call you tomorrow.' 'Tomorrow clock time or tomorrow after the Sun rises?'
So we'd need to adjust our terminology a bit. I'm sure the world wouldn't end because of that.
It's always amusing to me how opponents of the idea of abolishing time zones assume that everything will stay the same, except, well abolishing of time zones. Apparently in the moment we do so, humanity will be become incapable of adjusting even the slightest. It will be impossible to invent a couple of new terms to let people communicate easily about time. It will be impossible to replace time zone maps and time zone aware clocks with ones that show regular office hours in different regions, &c.
For the record, I'm not even really for abolishing time zones, but the fact that the word "tomorrow" would become slightly less useful is not a particularly significant reason.
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#38I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.
> got rid of 12 hour clocks.
We got rid of 6-hours clocks and it only took a few centuries, there's hope!
Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
#39I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.
With timezones:
* I want to call my friend in Germany. What time is it for her? I guess I'm UTC-7 and she's UTC+1, so she's 8 hours ahead of me. I know that everybody around the world typically wakes up between 6 and 9 AM and goes to sleep between 8 PM and midnight, and she's an early bird, so she should be awake.
* They said the meeting was going to be at 8 o'clock, but they are in a different time zone, did they mean mine or theirs?
Without timezones:
* I want to call my friend in Germany. It's the same time here as there. It rises at 13:00 here, but she's a quarter of the way way around the world. I have to look up their typical waking hours. She's an early bird, so is she on the early side of that, likely. What time does the sun rise there? How much does that change over the seasons?
* They said the meeting was at 18:00. I know exactly when that is.
* If I live too far from the UTC, the day will change in the middle of my working day. My friend said they'd see me on Tuesday. Do they mean the day that had Tuesday at the beginning of it, or the end? What does "Tuesday morning" mean when morning is at the end of the Tuesday? Is "morning" the beginning of the solar day or the beginning of the clock day?
I agree with DST and 12-hour clocks, those are antiquated and mostly pointless. If you get rid of time zones, you don't simplify anything. You trade one set of complications for another. The complication is that you are interacting with humans that have different hours than you do, getting more different as you get farther away. Without time zones, you still have those complications, and you trade the set of time zone complications for another set of complications, by having your time completely divorced from your local daylight and working hours.
There are stupidities with modern time zones, but the concept exists for a good reason.
Re: Europe pushing for lunar time zone
#40I would be happy if we got rid of timezones, got rid of daylight savings time, and got rid of 12 hour clocks.
I’m with you on the last two but a life without timezones sounds horrible.
So many issues, like having to relearn the clock when you are in another timezone. I’ll meet you for lunch at 06.00! Life is based around the sun.
Having some sort of agreed upon world timezone would be neat though, whether that was GMT or something less euro centric. So everyone would understand “we have a zoom meeting at 11.00 WT” instead of having to decide which timezone to refer to.