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Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

nautil.us

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Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

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post #21

People are so skeptic and negative about humans nowadays. We are an incredibly hardy species. We are clever. We find ways to survive in deserts, mountains, small islands, icey tundras and anything in between. We plan ahead, we can eat and digest pretty much anything (except for cellulose) and we have as much drive to survive as your average cockroach. Sure our species is vulnerable. And I wouldn't rule out large perc…

And you know, we've been poisoning ourselves for a really long time amiright? The industrial age, smog, bpa, micro plastics. THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE ABUSE WE CAN PUT ON OURSELVES. Woo

This but unironically. Spare me your left-wing progressive snark. Humans thrive despite our propensity for self-harm. Something to celebrate, not criticize.

Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

#33
post #15

anyone that thinks humans will be around in even a million years time is, imho, delusional. we were not there up until now in that timespan, and won't be after it. and don't get started on living on mars, or elsewhere - not going to happen.

Okay, but you’re objectively wrong in your second sentence. There were archaic humans (genus homo, specifically Homo habilis and then Homo erectus) about 2-3 million years ago. They used various tools, and as of ~1 million years ago (late erectus to early Homo heidelbergensis, the common ancestor of anatomically modern humans and the Neanderthals) were possibly using (a gestural?) language, likely fire, maybe even seafaring.

I am not that interested in the opinion of people insistent that humans won’t exist in the future (and calling those who disagree “delusional”) if those people have a flawed understanding of human existence in the past.

Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

#34
post #21

People are so skeptic and negative about humans nowadays. We are an incredibly hardy species. We are clever. We find ways to survive in deserts, mountains, small islands, icey tundras and anything in between. We plan ahead, we can eat and digest pretty much anything (except for cellulose) and we have as much drive to survive as your average cockroach. Sure our species is vulnerable. And I wouldn't rule out large perc…

> We are an incredibly hardy species. We are clever. We find ways to survive in deserts, mountains, small islands, icey tundras and anything in between.

We’re that… so far.

But at the same time:

- our track record is short, only about 300kY, for comparison while not a specific species the dinosaurs lasted for around 175000kY, and were the dominant life form for 135000, until they were taken out by an asteroid, apex species did last for millions of years

- we’re actively moving our own environment out of spec with our survival capabilities, and as warm-blooded mammals it’s much easier to adapt to the cold than it is to the heat, 35 WBT is a hard limit (in fact it looks like it’s an over-estimate and 31 is closer, even for healthy young adults, but 35 WBT was a theorised estimate)

Drive to survive can only get you so far, you can have as much drive to survive as your average cockroach, that won’t save you from heat stroke any more than it’ll save you from drowning or a bullet wound.

Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

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post #23
post #13

> There is no technology, survey, or program in operation today to monitor all the potential threats to Earth. Because it's much easier to prepare to go live on Mars, apparently. /s

I mean, I get the sarcasm, but at the same time we could probably monitor all asteroids from what we’re spending on climate change atm. This is one big issue I have with the hysterical end of the climate change debate, there are 100 other threats to humanity, yet we don’t really care about them, probably because the media doesn’t care as much. Covid is a pretty good example also, it’s killed way more people than the…

The climate change debate isn't just about the impact to humanity!

1950 human population 2.5 billion, 1977 human population 4 billion, 2023 human population 8+ billion

so in 20 / 30 years 16 billion?

Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

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More progressive propaganda thinly packaged as journalism. Humans are animals, and nature has selected us to survive again and again. For crying outloud, we've made it to outer space, one of the most hostile environments for life forms, and we're pushing to go further.

The spread of the "humans suck, we're so awful" rhetoric in the left-wing media really puts a bad taste in my mouth.

Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

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post #29
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i was thinking that we are obviously a fast-evolving species - look at all our mostly extinct relatives. so in a million years we will probably go the same way.

As long as we have dependents who have evolved and survived that is to be expected.

Right. Archaic humans that existed 1 million years ago are still recognizable very much as humans and had many of our current capabilities in nascent form.

Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

#39
post #23
post #13

> There is no technology, survey, or program in operation today to monitor all the potential threats to Earth. Because it's much easier to prepare to go live on Mars, apparently. /s

I mean, I get the sarcasm, but at the same time we could probably monitor all asteroids from what we’re spending on climate change atm. This is one big issue I have with the hysterical end of the climate change debate, there are 100 other threats to humanity, yet we don’t really care about them, probably because the media doesn’t care as much. Covid is a pretty good example also, it’s killed way more people than the…

N.B. we do monitor all the asteroids

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentially_hazardous_object

Re: Humans Could Go the Way of the Dinosaur

#40
post #23
post #13

> There is no technology, survey, or program in operation today to monitor all the potential threats to Earth. Because it's much easier to prepare to go live on Mars, apparently. /s

I mean, I get the sarcasm, but at the same time we could probably monitor all asteroids from what we’re spending on climate change atm. This is one big issue I have with the hysterical end of the climate change debate, there are 100 other threats to humanity, yet we don’t really care about them, probably because the media doesn’t care as much. Covid is a pretty good example also, it’s killed way more people than the…

Are we spending on climate change? I see a lot of greenwashing, but it's more marketing than spending.

This said, I think you kind of miss a few points regarding climate change. First, it hasn't happened yet, it's just starting. We are living a mass extinction right now, and that's not a computer model or some prediction; that's a fact: we can count how many trees, mammals and insects have already disappeared (something like 75%). That's not the climate change problem, it's the biodiversity problem. If we magically removed the excess of CO2 from the atmosphere today, we would still be living a mass extinction. Just because of habitat loss (for other species obviously), which is due to how we live. We are destroying the planet, that's a fact, and that's before taking into account climate change. The solution to that? Produce less, consume less. There is no serious technological solution, because technology is the problem.

Then there is the energy problem: fossil fuels are going down (we passed conventional peak oil in 2008, general peak oil is about now, LNG is close) and we don't have serious alternatives. That will threaten our whole society. Solution? Prepare to do with less energy, meaning that we won't be able to produce as much, meaning that it actually helps the climate change problem -> that's fortunate.

Finally, for both of those existential problems, they exist because of how we actively behave (as opposed to a potential asteroid that doesn't care about our actions). So of course it seems like we should do something. But it's much harder than the asteroid: for the asteroid, we should actually spend money building a solution. For the biodiversity/climate, we should generally produce less, which is not compatible with growth.

Somehow we do the opposite of what we should: we don't do anything about asteroids, but we should. We do a lot of stuff that is destroying the planet, and we should not. Because we are short-sighted and looking for profit, not long-term (mid-term, at this point?) survival.

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