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Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

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Post by techsupporter »

sbierwagen wrote: post #12
c3534l wrote: post #2

But why?

Besides the stated reason, there's also this: >(as of this writing, VZ was pricing 50Mbps commited @ $455/mo; 100Mbps @ $661/mo; 1Gbps @ $999/mo; 5Gbps @ $2,099/mo; and 10Gbps @ $3,099/mo). Ten gigabit is not yet a common residential internet service in North America. If that's what you want, this would be the only way to get it. I've occasionally daydreamed about buying a condominium near one of the Seattle Internet…

> I've occasionally daydreamed about buying a condominium near one of the Seattle Internet Exchange's PoPs, buying a 400 gigabit port, paying to run a fiber pair, arranging for transit, etc etc

For what it's worth, this isn't the same as what the person who wrote the post did. They bought a DIA circuit to an ISP.

What you're seeking is a point-to-point fiber link or MPLS to a panel in KOMO Plaza or the Westin building. You don't need to be near either of those locations to do it and CenturyLink (Lumen, these days) will sell you the circuit but you're not going to like what it costs. We have three of these circuits where I work and they are juuuuust a bit higher than what the article's author says they're paying for the DIA.

(This, along with the eyewatering cross-connect fees that the operators of those two facilities charge, is why getting a SIX port is so expensive on retail colo. You're either paying for the privilege of running some strands of glass or you're paying to use someone's extension switch and the connection they're paying for to get back to the SIX core.)

Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

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Post by salawat »

digitalsushi wrote: post #28
cmeacham98 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Residential internet service is oversubscribed and doesn't have an SLA.

Oversubscribed means different things to different groups of people. (I'm replying to people in general, and not to the commenter above me) To an ISP, it means that a customer could exeperience a shortage of service, but that a group of customers would have to simultaneously utilize the infrastructure. ISPs try to keep a ratio of customers to service where this isn't likely to happen, or for discount providers, that…

...Eh, you'd still be okay in my book.

The problem I have is the lack of transparency, obtuse terms and the huge amount of funds taken in by the bigger operations that instead of being transformed into moar infra, get turned into exec bonuses/lobbying to not have to build infra/marketing to convince people the infra that was built is the best that's possible, yes sirree Bob.

When all you have is a string, and tin cans, you do the best you can. When your execs are taking big Federal bux, and setting them on fire instead of increasing overall throughput...

Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

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Post by salawat »

digitalsushi wrote: post #28
cmeacham98 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Residential internet service is oversubscribed and doesn't have an SLA.

Oversubscribed means different things to different groups of people. (I'm replying to people in general, and not to the commenter above me) To an ISP, it means that a customer could exeperience a shortage of service, but that a group of customers would have to simultaneously utilize the infrastructure. ISPs try to keep a ratio of customers to service where this isn't likely to happen, or for discount providers, that…

...Eh, you'd still be okay in my book.

The problem I have is the lack of transparency, obtuse terms and the huge amount of funds taken in by the bigger operations that instead of being transformed into moar infra, get turned into exec bonuses/lobbying to not have to build infra/marketing to convince people the infra that was built is the best that's possible, yes sirree Bob.

When all you have is a string, and tin cans, you do the best you can. When your execs are taking big Federal bux, and setting them on fire instead of increasing overall throughput...

That's where I draw the line.

Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

#35

Post by cardy31 »

MPSimmons wrote: post #32

General reminder that an SLA is a contractual agreement, and not a guarantee of availability. It literally describes the renumeration due when the service doesn't meet the promised availability.

I often hear people use SLA and SLO interchangeably. Very annoying having to clarify.

Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

#36

Post by icedchai »

zamadatix wrote: post #14
NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #4

I'm curious to know details like what sort of house or dwelling this person lives in; anyplace with enough capacity for all that (4U rack space, power and cooling, etc.) seems spacious. The article says it's right off a major street. So is it urban? Suburban? Single-family home? Inquiring minds want to know.

4u of space is less volume than many PC cases. I’ve got a 22u “half rack” in my apartment (half for testing gear for work, half because I like to tinker). Bigger concern would be noise. 1u network gear tends to have high pitched 20mm fans which can drive you nuts if you don’t have it in a separate room. Noctua makes a great kit I use in my own gear but Verizon probably wouldn’t be very happy with you if you tried to…

Currently I'm doing BGP over a wireguard VPN back to a couple of VPS providers. Actually, I only run OSPF to my home, the BGP part only happens on the VPS side. The tunnel does add about ~8 ms of latency worst case.

Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

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Post by phil21 »

techsupporter wrote: post #31
sbierwagen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides the stated reason, there's also this: >(as of this writing, VZ was pricing 50Mbps commited @ $455/mo; 100Mbps @ $661/mo; 1Gbps @ $999/mo; 5Gbps @ $2,099/mo; and 10Gbps @ $3,099/mo). Ten gigabit is not yet a common residential internet service in North America. If that's what you want, this would be the only way to get it. I've occasionally daydreamed about buying a condominium near one of the Seattle Internet…

> I've occasionally daydreamed about buying a condominium near one of the Seattle Internet Exchange's PoPs, buying a 400 gigabit port, paying to run a fiber pair, arranging for transit, etc etc For what it's worth, this isn't the same as what the person who wrote the post did. They bought a DIA circuit to an ISP. What you're seeking is a point-to-point fiber link or MPLS to a panel in KOMO Plaza or the Westin buildin…

It really depends on the metro area. Here in Chicago I can get a dark pair about 3 houses down the block from me (never quoted out how much it'd be to extend to my address) going back to 350 Cermak. This ran about $600-1200/mo or so depending on contract terms and who you know. If you have other gear in the facility (e.g. transit and routers with a spare port) you're looking at another $150-350/mo (again, depending on your contract) x-connect to get into your panel in your cage.

Given I have equipment already in the datacenter, it's pretty tempting to pull the trigger on a 100G link. I just have no idea what I'd do with it.

Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

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Post by techsupporter »

phil21 wrote: post #37
techsupporter wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've occasionally daydreamed about buying a condominium near one of the Seattle Internet Exchange's PoPs, buying a 400 gigabit port, paying to run a fiber pair, arranging for transit, etc etc For what it's worth, this isn't the same as what the person who wrote the post did. They bought a DIA circuit to an ISP. What you're seeking is a point-to-point fiber link or MPLS to a panel in KOMO Plaza or the Westin buildin…

It really depends on the metro area. Here in Chicago I can get a dark pair about 3 houses down the block from me (never quoted out how much it'd be to extend to my address) going back to 350 Cermak. This ran about $600-1200/mo or so depending on contract terms and who you know. If you have other gear in the facility (e.g. transit and routers with a spare port) you're looking at another $150-350/mo (again, depending o…

> It really depends on the metro area.

Completely agreed. Seattle and Portland seem to be high on the list of "places telcos think they can take complete advantage of." For what my employer pays for two (locked) racks of colocation here, we could get an entire small suite somewhere like LA or Chicago.

Wireline costs are similarly sky high, I think because CenturyLink has all of the cabling and no one has bothered to dig up the streets to run any more. When we connected a building in Eastlake to our old colo in Tukwila, CenturyLink was the only one who would quote us.

Re: "BGP at home": getting a DIA circuit installed at home

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Post by exikyut »

sbierwagen wrote: post #12
c3534l wrote: post #2

But why?

Besides the stated reason, there's also this: >(as of this writing, VZ was pricing 50Mbps commited @ $455/mo; 100Mbps @ $661/mo; 1Gbps @ $999/mo; 5Gbps @ $2,099/mo; and 10Gbps @ $3,099/mo). Ten gigabit is not yet a common residential internet service in North America. If that's what you want, this would be the only way to get it. I've occasionally daydreamed about buying a condominium near one of the Seattle Internet…

Move to Chatanooga (in Tennessee) instead. Business class (pretty sure with SLA) 10Gbps from EPB for $300/mo, introduced ~2015.
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