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Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by Zircom »

vineyardmike wrote: post #27
jstarfish wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the state of abortion law, I wouldn't bet on "childless by choice" remaining a constant. Play both sides: tampons and diapers.

You say tampons but do you mean contraceptives? Mothers still use tampons. Contraceptives are designed to prevent pregnancy. Tampons contain period blood, which happens before and after pregnancy. Diapers are for babies post pregnancy.

One of the most common forms of contraception is hormonal medications that have a side effect of lightening and/or fully stopping periods. Most of the abortion legislation has limiting access to those medications or other contraceptive procedures accompanying it, or even included in the same bill.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by Zircom »

peoplearepeople wrote: post #16
stuckinhell wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. I review a lot of market research reports for my firm when making strategic decisions. The younger generations of Americans are extremely polarized and ready to fight. They don't agree with many of the cultural norms of the older generations such keeping politics out of the work place, or common public areas of civility. They are willing to inject their personal biases into the company and literally…

I think it's just that people are delaying having children. Once they have children they fall in line as there's no energy for anything else

So from that point of view, one could see conservatives constant and endless attempts on restricting abortion and birth control as trying to prevent would-be liberal voters from being politically active?

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

channel_t wrote: post #30
stuckinhell wrote: post #5

The sooner America splits up into two or more countries the better I think. It's clear the cultural difference inside America are far beyond even different countries in Europe. I guess that should be expected given how large America is.

I'd say it's more universally an extremely polarized urban vs. rural divide that isn't really defined by the borders of any particular region of the country, although more rural states like Idaho tend to carry over common rural paranoias and resentments into the political space.

I think it's more socioeconomic class than geography.

A blue collar tradesman that is a partner in an urban business and nets 250k/yr probably going to have more in common ideologically with a guy who drives a tractor in BFE than he does with a techie or a doctor.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by jstarfish »

vineyardmike wrote: post #27
jstarfish wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the state of abortion law, I wouldn't bet on "childless by choice" remaining a constant. Play both sides: tampons and diapers.

You say tampons but do you mean contraceptives? Mothers still use tampons. Contraceptives are designed to prevent pregnancy. Tampons contain period blood, which happens before and after pregnancy. Diapers are for babies post pregnancy.

> You say tampons but do you mean contraceptives?

I don't want to come across as a proponent of an ugly situation, but I was being specific with my verbiage.

The law is currently stacked against women and makes it difficult to obtain contraception, and impossible to address the consequences of its non-acquisition or failures. Abortion isn't an option, even for rape cases. Obviously women want contraception, but it is being denied to them on purpose. The men in charge are playing the long game and shaping the circumstances to compel them to produce children.

(The conspiracy theorist in me suspects the current Adderall shortage is an intentional test run of dependency interference to see what the public is willing to put up with-- next time, it'll be a manufactured disruption in supply of chemical contraceptives.)

Your observations are correct but I was too terse-- it's not a tampons OR diapers dichotomy. Demand for both is going to increase. If there are more women, they will buy more (and better) hygiene products. If they are denied birth control, "choice" in child-bearing is reduced to a game of consistently beating the odds. When their luck runs out, they'll need diapers (and affordable childcare).

Only lesbians are safe from this nightmare. I don't know what they like to buy though.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by mrguyorama »

Quequau wrote: post #3

Seems like everyday that goes by there's something going on in America that makes me believe they have lost their minds.

" But but but but it's the WOKES who are crazy"

Meanwhile non of the 14 year old blue-haired tumbler users they seem to think make up all of the democratic party and represent the only opinions of progressives actually make any law changes, or get elected, or are even thought leaders!

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by mansion7 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #35
Quequau wrote: post #3

Seems like everyday that goes by there's something going on in America that makes me believe they have lost their minds.

" But but but but it's the WOKES who are crazy" Meanwhile non of the 14 year old blue-haired tumbler users they seem to think make up all of the democratic party and represent the only opinions of progressives actually make any law changes, or get elected, or are even thought leaders!

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Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by mrguyorama »

Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home.

I don't care what bullshit you can come up with about democrats, at least they don't scream "We want to stop the government from controlling you" and then nakedly do the exact opposite, and then still get voted for even more. Democrats are very open about their belief that accountable government can implement positive regulations.

Republicans: Why the fuck do you let your politicians be so openly two-faced like this? They claim one thing and do the exact opposite, right in your face. Why do you encourage them do put restrictive policy in place if you believe in personal freedom?

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by matthewmacleod »

ElfinTrousers wrote: post #21
psychphysic wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even England Scotland and Wales are separate countries. I suppose in theory the US already has a mechanism for managing this disagreement federal and state laws.

I'm not an expert in UK law but I'm pretty sure that the variation in laws between one US state and another are much bigger than the variation between the four constituent UK countries.

There's actually quite a substantial difference between Scots law versus English and Welsh law in particular! Even disregarding substantial divergence in legislation, Scots law is a mixed civil/common law system, versus the common law system of England and Wales. I'm no US legal expert, but I'd imagine the differences are roughly on par to those found between US states. My understanding is that it's similar to the sort of difference you'd see between Louisiana's system and other states'.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

mrguyorama wrote: post #37

Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home. I don't care what bullshit you can come up with about democrats, at least they don't scream "We want to stop the government from controlling you" and then nakedly do the exact opposite, and then still get voted for even more. Democ…

>Why the fuck do you let your politicians be so openly two-faced like this? They claim one thing and do the exact opposite, right in your face. Why do you encourage them do put restrictive policy in place if you believe in personal freedom?

How can you say this with a straight face when there's a story about NY Democratic politicians selling out the right to repair bill to corporate interests?

Politicians say one thing and do the other as long as they think there will be no consequences and in the polarized world where live in that is often.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by msf1024 »

stuckinhell wrote: post #5

The sooner America splits up into two or more countries the better I think. It's clear the cultural difference inside America are far beyond even different countries in Europe. I guess that should be expected given how large America is.

But where would you split it? Regardless of what the blue/red state maps show, it's really an urban/rural split.
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