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Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

hnlmorg wrote: post #26
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that companies pay SV-like salaries outside of SV now, right? LCOL US salaries can easily be higher than HCOL EU salaries. This is also exactly the same argument people in the US have tried to make about "SV" salaries vs "normal" salaries. Ex: "making $100k in the Midwest is better than $300k in SV because COL" It's plain wrong in almost all cases (Lower COL doesn't make up for lower salary) and SV vs els…

It’s not that simple. Sometimes lower cost of living absolutely does make up for a lower salary. Ultimately it comes down to disposable income after your expenses are paid. If your cost of living is significantly lower despite your income decreasing, then your disposable income increases despite your salary decreasing. It’s also why multinational services will often have regional pricing. This phenomena might not be…

Dude, go on https://levels.fyi for 5min and compare US and UK salaries.

US ($339k): https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-...

UK ($200k): https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-...

Lower COL does not make up for $139k USD.

I've seen this exact conversation happen on /r/cscareerquestions about US salaries an uncountable number of times. COL never makes up for the salary difference on the high end. Maybe for median and below salaries, but never for the top percentiles.

E: since you edited in stuff about remote work, I meant in the US. There are a lot of US companies that allow remote work within the US now. I was also talking about SV vs everywhere else in terms of salary difference, not COL. Even with a salary reduction, you're most likely making more than you 'should' in a LCOL area.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by Varqu »

dewey wrote: post #16

If you are in one of the supported countries https://techpays.eu , feels like a more comprehensive source than this blog post.

And for other countries, we are also sharing the data (sourced from the job ads with salary ranges):

- DE: https://germantechjobs.de/en/salaries

- CH: https://swissdevjobs.ch/salaries

- RO: https://devjob.ro/en/salaries

- UK: https://devitjobs.uk/salaries

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by nivenkos »

hnlmorg wrote: post #28
nivenkos wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of EU countries don't use the Euro.

I know, I live in one that doesn’t. However no European county uses USD. So we are much more familiar with seeing Euros as a European benchmark than USD. Also worth noting, EU is a subset of Europe. London isn’t in the EU but is in Europe.

The Euro is basically equal to the USD these days anyway though.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by nivenkos »

leppr wrote: post #29
nivenkos wrote: post #6

Hmm I wonder how they did the TC though since the value of stock has absolutely plummeted now. On salary I'm well below the median value here despite being a senior engineer at a large international company, in a department that pays slightly higher on average. Salaries in Europe are pitiful nevertheless, and then you've gotta add the 40% income tax and 25% VAT too :(

Are they really that pitiful compared to the global average? I think that in the English-speaking tech sphere we are just too inclined to compare to the US. But compared to the rest of the world, and outside of a few small low-tax hubs (Singapore, UAE, etc), they're quite in line with the rest of the job market. (I do think we're getting fleeced in absolute terms, but that's nothing specific to the tech industry)

Kinda, the benefit in the UAE is that the taxes are lower, but it's really company-dependent since you have fewer worker protections. I turned down a job offer there because it's so far away, so if you lost the job (see recent layoffs), it'd be a nightmare.

But Australia and Canada both have slightly better salaries too (just not US-level).

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by hnlmorg »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #31
hnlmorg wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not that simple. Sometimes lower cost of living absolutely does make up for a lower salary. Ultimately it comes down to disposable income after your expenses are paid. If your cost of living is significantly lower despite your income decreasing, then your disposable income increases despite your salary decreasing. It’s also why multinational services will often have regional pricing. This phenomena might not be…

Dude, go on https://levels.fyi for 5min and compare US and UK salaries. US ($339k): https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... UK ($200k): https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... Lower COL does not make up for $139k USD. I've seen this exact conversation happen on /r/cscareerquestions about US salaries an uncountable number of times. COL never makes up for the salary diffe…

But this article IS an about median wages and not specifically about the top percentile!

> Lower COL does not make up for $139k USD

It can if property prices for those top percentiles are more than $139k cheaper.

My house is worth literally twice the price of my mother in laws house and she lives in a larger property. The only difference is she’s at the north end of England and I’m in the south.

Cost of living can vary dramatically in Europe.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by hnlmorg »

nivenkos wrote: post #33
hnlmorg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know, I live in one that doesn’t. However no European county uses USD. So we are much more familiar with seeing Euros as a European benchmark than USD. Also worth noting, EU is a subset of Europe. London isn’t in the EU but is in Europe.

The Euro is basically equal to the USD these days anyway though.

It is but that isn’t the point. You wouldn’t show the wages in any other unrelated currency, like Dogecoin, and say “but the exchange rate is basically equal”.

If you’re measuring European financial assets then they should be represented in a European currency (and if you want to show USD then have that as an additional field or afterwards in brackets).

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by f6v »

hnlmorg wrote: post #18

Articles like these are complete garbage for any practical extrapolation and thus only really written as ad pieces. Why? Because: - cost of living isn’t taken into account - and even if it were, the cost of living varies wildly from one city to another. So you’d need less generalised results - converting everything to USD makes no sense when the article is supposed to be about European countries. And since exchange r…

Cost of living doesn’t have to be taken into account in a salary analysis because everyone has a different cost of living. It’s not called a “quality of life” analysis.

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #23
ciberado wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, my understanding is that in the US each person must dedicate an important amount of money to receive the health services that are provided in Europe by the administration in many countries.

US companies provide health insurance for their employees.

not all and quality varies but generally in the tech sector I suppose they provide good quality as part of the compensation package, which also brings up the fact that generally when discussing compensation one should discuss the total package not just money (although money is generally most important)

Re: Europe data salary benchmark 2023

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Post by jahnu »

nivenkos wrote: post #6

Hmm I wonder how they did the TC though since the value of stock has absolutely plummeted now. On salary I'm well below the median value here despite being a senior engineer at a large international company, in a department that pays slightly higher on average. Salaries in Europe are pitiful nevertheless, and then you've gotta add the 40% income tax and 25% VAT too :(

Don’t feel bad about tax. With that tax you (probably) get a well functioning society.
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