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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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But you can fall asleep and wake up at work with public transportation.

Noone is waking you for your stop lol.

You could set an alarm. Worst case there is a delay and you wake up slightly early. The subway isn't going to magically go significantly faster.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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But you can fall asleep and wake up at work with public transportation.

Noone is waking you for your stop lol.

This seems like a cool app. A bus route aware, "wake me 3 minutes before my stop" vibrate app.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

Waymo does.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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As posted on the Tesla subreddit [1]:

> Remedy: Tesla will release an over-the-air (OTA) software update, free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed by April 15, 2023. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-23-00-001.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/113wltl/commen...

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

"Works on my machine!"

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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If you have a 99% chance of death - 1% of people are still going to make it. You obviously don't have a 99% chance of death - but just by virtue of it being possible does not also mean it is not BS. You can drive drunk from PS to SF also. What's your point?

I know a Tesla owner. The chance of death (well, a crash anyways) is more like 1%, according to him. Those odds are good enough for the occasional trip home from a cocktail party, but hardly cost-competitive with Rideshares/Taxis. How many 9's do we need before we can say it's reliable enough to trust it? A few more, for sure.

> How many 9's do we need before we can say it's reliable enough to trust it? A few more, for sure.

Yeah, 1% is definitely not going to cut it. What are the odds of dying when a human is at the wheel? Something like 0.000025% if my napkin math is right and my assumptions in the right ballpark.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Does a recall like this actually mean owners return their car to Tesla for modification? Or would it be an over-the-air update to remove FSD?

I had the same question. I think this is the original report: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V085-3451.PDF

On Page 4 it mentions the "Description of Remedy" as an OTA update. Gives a new meaning to a recall!

https://howtune.com/recalls/ford/ford/1980/

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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post #33

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

I'm reminded of a thread on HN where someone did a cross country trip and their car only phantom-braked a couple of times, and called that a huge success.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

I have the same experience. I think if there was more transparency in the data around FSD related accidents the conversation would be different. The last evidence we have is Tesla stating that there have been no fatalities in 60 million miles of driving under FSD. Pretty good so far.
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