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Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by sebkomianos »

epakai wrote: post #20

Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If you want to point out instances of news media not covering this story where they might have covered other stories go for it, cite instances. All I've been convinced of so far is some people have an axe to grind, and part of their narrative is how the media or t…

Then maybe this isn't about you, specifically?

How are the mainstream media dealing with it?

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by bsder »

refuse wrote: post #5

I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

Because if the media starts covering it hard, way more than half the population of the US will plug their ears and start saying "LA LA LA LA LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" really loudly.

If this gets coverage, suddenly lots of inconvenient questions start popping up around monopoly, safety regulations and OSHA, and union workers warning about this 2 months ago.

But, hey, everybody got their Amazon packages by Christmas, so if a piece of shit town in Ohio has to pay the price that's just the way it goes, knowwhatimean?

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by bruce511 »

tomcam wrote: post #11
waldothedog wrote: post #4

This isn't too far from me. Curious to hear thoughts from folks with deeper backgrounds in chemistry than I have (high school).

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I am intrigued by your outrage (seriously). I'm curious to know what you are hoping the world's media will accomplish there?

On the one hand train derailment, chemical fire, environmental damage - it makes for a story but really not a terribly interesting one (to me). It's certainly an unwelcome event, but there doesn't seem to be anything deeper than what you see on the surface.

Is there a deeper story here? Is there some ongoing malfeasance that should be spotlighted?

I completely understand that for those who live in East Palestine this may be a life altering event. But shitty events routinely happen to lots of people every day. I guess I'm missing what makes this special.

Of course my sympathies are with those affected by this, I'm not heartless, but I'm (honestly) not sure what you hope the world's media will achieve.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by smoldesu »

sebkomianos wrote: post #31
epakai wrote: post #20

Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If you want to point out instances of news media not covering this story where they might have covered other stories go for it, cite instances. All I've been convinced of so far is some people have an axe to grind, and part of their narrative is how the media or t…

Then maybe this isn't about you, specifically? How are the mainstream media dealing with it?

> How are the mainstream media dealing with it?

Apparently CNN reported on this 8 days ago[0] (when it happened). Fox is running coverage live as we speak[1]. If there is any evidence of a cover-up, it has yet to be presented.

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-...

[1] https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-prompts-wat...

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by King-Aaron »

waldothedog wrote: post #4

This isn't too far from me. Curious to hear thoughts from folks with deeper backgrounds in chemistry than I have (high school).

One of the chemicals that is produced by burning this delicious cocktail is Phosgene Gas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene ) which among its numerous delightful uses is a nerve agent

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by ticviking »

slabity wrote: post #21
aphexddb wrote: post #10

Some of the best reporting on this with actual data is coming from social media (as usual), versus from official sources. Here is someone reviewing the manifest of chemicals and number of spilled train cars: https://www.tiktok.com/@nickdrom/video/7199486059212868910

So this train was carrying all of these various chemicals, but it wasn't classified as a High-Hazard Flammable Train?

Talk to your local train union guys sometime. That’s basically normal

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by kurthr »

akomtu wrote: post #18
waldothedog wrote: post #4

This isn't too far from me. Curious to hear thoughts from folks with deeper backgrounds in chemistry than I have (high school).

The two "helpful" byproducts of vinyl chloride burning like that is HF and phosgene. The wind is going to spread those rapidly.

I'm doubtful on the HF since it's not vinyl fluoride. More likely HCl. Likely, there's some phosgene, though I've read that in large fires that mostly get's burned up. Of course there's CO. The liquid remnants are carcinogenic.

https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=10699...

https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/2001.pdf

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by sebkomianos »

smoldesu wrote: post #36
sebkomianos wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then maybe this isn't about you, specifically? How are the mainstream media dealing with it?

> How are the mainstream media dealing with it? Apparently CNN reported on this 8 days ago[0] (when it happened). Fox is running coverage live as we speak[1]. If there is any evidence of a cover-up, it has yet to be presented. [0] https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/us/east-palestine-ohio-train-... [1] https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-train-derailment-prompts-wat...

So the live coverage from Fox is 8 days late, right?
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