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Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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“If they choose to strike, i.e., stop working, they would lose any benefits that are connected to their jobs, including pay, free health care and tuition remission. Over 80 percent of the TUGSA-covered students have chosen not to strike, and are still working and still enjoying the benefits to which they are entitled, including tuition remission.”

Pretty Simple.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Bone headed move. They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Also, how can they take away tuition reimbursement for the whole semester if the strike hasnt been that long? Garbage administration. I hope the students win and that this isnt the new normal.

>They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Have they miscalculated? Not a comment on the right or wrong of this action but the article says this 80% of similar grad students have not gone on strike. Would be good to know how distributed across academic fields this strike is. If it is a few from each, then it seems Temple can just wait them out. If it is focused on just one ar…

The article is quoting Temple’s VP of Human Resources for that number, and therefore the number can’t be taken at face value.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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post #9

Bone headed move. They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Also, how can they take away tuition reimbursement for the whole semester if the strike hasnt been that long? Garbage administration. I hope the students win and that this isnt the new normal.

> Bone headed move. They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure

It´s not about caving, I don´t think. It´s about maximum damage. University administration is one of the most ruthless groups you can come across. They´re well aware that they hold the future ambitions of these students in their hands. Even if they get sued, even if they lose, they´re well aware that they can utterly ruin a sizeable portion of the students they hit with this. They simply can´t afford to fight back, or wait to get the situation resolved.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are companies not allowed to stop paying wages to striking employees? Or is it that tuition remission is viewed as distinct from wages legally?

Students are not employees.

These are graduate students, who generally are and that do a large part of the teaching at any university.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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As various lawyers have commented on Twitter, this seems like an insanely blatant violation of labor laws. Just a straight up written confession of illegal retaliation. Unless they have some obscure exemption that nobody else knows about, I cannot imagine how the university's legal counsel signed off on this.

Can you point to some of those Twitter comments? I'm honestly curious of which labor laws they are violating. For example, I just did a search regarding healthcare for striking workers, and there is no federal law that prevents cancelling healthcare, to the point that some congresspeople have introduced bills in the last year to specifically outlaw that (but, to emphasize, those are just bills, they haven't been passed).

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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post #11
post #5

As various lawyers have commented on Twitter, this seems like an insanely blatant violation of labor laws. Just a straight up written confession of illegal retaliation. Unless they have some obscure exemption that nobody else knows about, I cannot imagine how the university's legal counsel signed off on this.

Are companies not allowed to stop paying wages to striking employees? Or is it that tuition remission is viewed as distinct from wages legally?

Yes, they're separate from wages that graduate students earn. Roughly—graduate students attend college for free, but for financial aid / regulatory / internal budgeting reasons the college can't say they attend for free, so they instead set extremely high tuition numbers and then "pay" that tuition for the students, from one hand of the college to the other hand.

But also AIUI Temple took away the whole of the tuition remittance for the entire semester. Companies are allowed to stop paying wages for the time workers are on strike and not working, but taking away tens of thousands of dollars for the entire semester simply for participating in a strike action during a tiny piece of it is absolutely beyond the pale.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are companies not allowed to stop paying wages to striking employees? Or is it that tuition remission is viewed as distinct from wages legally?

Students are not employees.

When I was working for my uni I got a W-2.

Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Have they miscalculated? Not a comment on the right or wrong of this action but the article says this 80% of similar grad students have not gone on strike. Would be good to know how distributed across academic fields this strike is. If it is a few from each, then it seems Temple can just wait them out. If it is focused on just one ar…

The article is quoting Temple’s VP of Human Resources for that number, and therefore the number can’t be taken at face value.

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Re: Temple Student Strike Turns Ugly as School Ends Some Tuition Aid

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They must have miscalculated if they think the students will cave to this pressure. Have they miscalculated? Not a comment on the right or wrong of this action but the article says this 80% of similar grad students have not gone on strike. Would be good to know how distributed across academic fields this strike is. If it is a few from each, then it seems Temple can just wait them out. If it is focused on just one ar…

No, the article doesn’t say that’s, it says that in a statement the university said that. They are (if not outright lying) surely calculating that number in the most favorable way possible probably doing things like include remote grad students, etc.

true, but if we want to get technical it says over 80%. Could they provide misleading stats sure. But the article also uses a pic from provided by the union which is very tight and so hard to gauge how many people are physically walking the picket line. Could also be misleading.
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