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Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

#31
> I get a lot of benefit from this information but somehow it feels shallow.

I take a longer view to this. For example, a few years ago I read about an algorithm to calculate percentiles in real time. [0]

It literally just came up at work today. I haven't used that information but maybe two times since I read it, but it was super relevant today and saved my team potential weeks of development.

So maybe it's not so shallow.

But to your actual question, I have a similar problem. The best I can say is that deadlines help. I usually put down the HN and Youtube when I have a deadline coming up. And not just at work. I make sure my hobbies have deadlines too.

I tell people when I think something will be done, so they start bugging me about it when it doesn't get done, so that I have a "deadline". Also one of my hobbies is pixel light shows for holidays, which come with excellent natural deadlines -- it has to be done by the holiday or it's useless.

So either find an "accountability buddy" who will hold you to your self imposed deadlines, or find a hobby that has natural deadlines, like certain calendar dates, or annual conventions or contests that you need to be done by.

[0] https://github.com/tdunning/t-digest

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

#32
I also find access to limitless information addicting, and get bored at work sometimes. Practical advice:

1) Cut internet to your house, or get someone to change the WiFi password if you can't do that.

2) Remove your SIM card and glue it into a dumb phone

3) Delete social media and things you find distracting (steam, instagram, etc.)

4) Organise your work tasks by priority if you haven't already. I use Kanboard for this. Otherwise the former steps will leave a void you'll fill by procrastinating.

That is essentially the only thing that worked after trying many other solutions over three years. Some people don't have to go to that extreme but... different strokes for different folks. One year later and I'm still going strong! I now rent in a co-working space, but a library was perfectly adequate before that.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

#33
It's not that we're all addicted to the internet, it's that nearly everything else in life has been abstracted away to the point where the only thing the do is use the internet.

It's not a matter of you choosing to use the internet for hours a day, it's a matter of society's efficiencies removing any need to do things such as:

- Build a house

- Grow crops

- Talk to your neighbors

- Etc.

and therefore your are forced to use the internet.

Can you still do the things listed? Sure. Is society set up in such a way that those things are easy and done by the vast majority of people? No.

It's like online dating. A modern person is, in a way, forced to using online dating because the alternatives are out of fashion.

Software is eating the world, which means it's eating your life.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

#34

I handle it by collecting quotes that tell me to knock it off. I've since started to focus on just the things I really care about: The purpose of knowledge is action, not knowledge. ― Aristotle Knowledge isn't free. You have to pay attention ― Richard Feynman "Information is not truth" ― Yuval Noah Harari If I were the plaything of every thought, I would be a fool, not a wise man. ― Rumi Dhamma is in your mind, not i…

I like it, will steal some. I followed the same strategy and always added relevant content to this doc, then forcing myself to read it every day. It‘s a non-attributed mashup of several sources. because it‘s from my personal notes:

—- Core Question: Is what I‘m currently doing helpful to my goals?

Get Bored. Get Calm. Enjoy boredness.

Whatever happens on the front page, I’m never involved. It seems like the whole thing would work just as well even if nobody ever read the Times or watched the cable chat shows. It’s a closed system.

Breaking News is most often wrong and later corrected by more breaking news.

But if that’s true on a scale of minutes, why longer? Instead of watching hourly updates, why not read a daily paper? Instead of reading the back and forth of a daily, why not read a weekly review? Instead of a weekly review, why not read a monthly magazine? Instead of a monthly magazine, why not read an annual book?

Following the news isn’t just a waste of time, it’s actively unhealthy. Edward Tufte notes that when he used to read the New York Times in the morning, it scrambled his brain with so many different topics that he couldn’t get any real intellectual work done the rest of the day.

Its obsession with the criminal and the deviant makes us less trusting people. Its obsession with the hurry of the day-to-day makes us less reflective thinkers. Its obsession with surfaces makes us shallow.

I have not followed the news for a long time. My life does not seem to be impoverished for it; indeed, I think it has been greatly enhanced. But I haven’t found many other people who are willing to take the plunge.

News makes our inner opinion volcano boil and that is toxic!

Uncontrolled input prevents rest, relaxation and output. All this massive time that is lost is ultimately YOURS! I am good to myself. I am worth it to myself not to stuff myself with poison!

Bad news is toxic for your body:

By consuming all of this news (which is nearly all bad news), you’re stressing your body out, weakening its ability to fight off infection, and potentially causing digestive and growth problems.

The really bad news is that news consumption is a vicious cycle that’s hard to get out of. Stress weakens your willpower. Without the willpower to put your phone down or turn off your computer, you’re likely to consume more and more news. And so the pattern continues.

“We are training our brains to pay attention to crap.”

The more a person consumes multiple types of media, the fewer brain cells there were in the anterior cingulate cortex. This is the part of the brain responsible for attention span and moral deliberation. You can no longer concentrate on books and longer articles. Your mind gives up after just a few paragraphs without absorbing any of the content. And you begin to suffer from anxiety.

After all, it is also part of freedom of opinion not to have an opinion.

Reading the news doesn’t help you change the world for the better. Ignore it or do something.

You need to make a complete break. The best way to do this is to push through 30 days of no news at all. By the end of those 30 days, you’ll hopefully reach the point where you don’t feel the urge to peek at the headlines.

What do you REALLY want in life?

To be really successful at something, you need to dedicate yourself to it fully. Albert Einstein, Frida Kahlo, and Beethoven didn’t become greats in their respective fields by scrolling through news feeds every few moments. They simply couldn’t have done, wasting all of that time. —-

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

#35

I handle it by collecting quotes that tell me to knock it off. I've since started to focus on just the things I really care about: The purpose of knowledge is action, not knowledge. ― Aristotle Knowledge isn't free. You have to pay attention ― Richard Feynman "Information is not truth" ― Yuval Noah Harari If I were the plaything of every thought, I would be a fool, not a wise man. ― Rumi Dhamma is in your mind, not i…

“Beware the barrenness of a busy life” - Socrates

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

#36
post #33

It's not that we're all addicted to the internet, it's that nearly everything else in life has been abstracted away to the point where the only thing the do is use the internet. It's not a matter of you choosing to use the internet for hours a day, it's a matter of society's efficiencies removing any need to do things such as: - Build a house - Grow crops - Talk to your neighbors - Etc. and therefore your are forced…

That's scarily intuitive - the sum of smaller efficiencies create more significant deficiencies in unintended places

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

#38
post #12

i'd suggest reading Dopamine Nation, essentially the premise of the book is modern society has hijacked our natural reward system and we havent figured out how to moderate ourselves. author suggests 30 day dopamine detox so whatever you think you're addicted to (social media, sugar, sex, news, drugs, alcohol, etc.) force yourself to not use it for a couple of weeks and see how you feel. you should go thru intense wit…

Practicing self-restrictions is a good advice in general, but I wouldn't equate the addiction problem with dopamine levels. There is a meaning in everything you do, including your addictions. Sometimes this meaning is very deep. And you won't solve the problem without understanding roots of it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you deal with information and internet addiction?

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post #27

Yes, I slowly unwound everything over time. Just realize it will be a slow gradual process and I think it's best to be patient with yourself. This is what worked for me: - Every week I unsubbed a subreddit until eventually there was only one left. It was so boring I stopped visiting Reddit. - I installed an extension for Facebook and slowly unfollowed every one. - I stopped posting to Instagram. Eventually stopped po…

What do you do with all your free time ?

I'm trying to read more; as in actual books. I've been spending at least an hour a day going for a nice long walk. Studying another language and doing at least one hour a day with a teacher. Work on a side project. Go explore the city.
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